[0:01] Can I close this? [0:2]
[0:01] Uh we don't have any changes, do we? So no. [0:4]
[0:04] Okay. [0:5]
[0:07] $ [0:10]
[0:11] [humming] [0:13]
[0:15] There we go. [0:16]
[0:19] Okay, here we are again. Detailed design - oh, come on. [0:23]
[0:26] Well - uh I forgot to insert the minutes, but it's about the same thing we discussed before uh. [0:34]
[0:36] You can open it anyway, I think. [0:38]
[0:49] Other design - anyway, we took as - we took we took rubber as as the material last time. We also (know that you're just busy with it). Took the advanced chip to t- uh implement the advanced features. Well, we discussed the design, no sharp corners, we rounded it off, like you see on the (uh the other) screen, which is fine. Um (barely), we agreed that the colour should be b- uh yellow and black. Yellow in the back because it's m- trendy, more trendy than black anyway, so # (then we came) - yeah. We agreed that we would implement both the L_C_D_ and speech recognition, but I'll get to that in a moment, because some changes in the financials have [1:28]
[1:29] let us some implications anyway, so. So, like I said, we had no insight in finances, no prices, but we have 'em now, [1:36]
[1:32] Hmm. [1:33]
[1:37] and it's bad. Anyway. [1:40]
[1:42] We are [1:42]
[1:44] Oh. Prototype presentation, well at first you guys built the prototype, so # you could (??) could present that. But um let's see (what'd be handy to do) - [1:56]
[1:57] ^Nee^ - no, you just go ahead and present the w- we'll (scrap) it later, because - [2:1]
[2:02] I think it's more - it's the same as we had. [2:4]
[2:04] What? [2:4]
[2:04] It's basically what we agreed upon, just a little bit more specified. [2:8]
[2:04] Hmm? [2:5]
[2:05] Uh that's [2:6]
[2:06] No, much - [2:7]
[2:07] hasn't changed that much, huh? I didn't expect any (??). You just coloured it. [2:13]
[2:08] No no no, not at all. [2:10]
[2:13] Uh s- [2:14]
[2:16] Final design. [2:17]
[2:27] # Basically (indeed) what we discussed, cover and buttons will be made of rubber, yellow colours, black components, as you can see right over here. We chose a different type of colour for the menu bit, darker yellow, so that it com- really shows # in this keypad. If you put them all black, it's not really that good a contrast, so. [2:53]
[2:36] Mm-hmm. I like the menu. [2:38]
[2:47] Mm-hmm. [2:48]
[2:53] And I suppose the the yellow is not printed on the on the rubber, it's it's part of the rubber, I suppose. I think that's more I think that's more durable anyway than printed on to - [3:3]
[2:59] Probab- yeah, # that's the be- [3:1]
[3:02] Hmm. [3:3]
[3:03] And it's - I guess it's more easier to just paint it on the rubber than to uh - [3:8]
[3:06] Yeah, of course. [3:7]
[3:08] Mm yeah. [3:9]
[3:09] That's uh the integration story again. [3:11]
[3:12] Okay. [3:12]
[3:12] So we have - it's a bit round shaped, that's what we had uh. [3:19]
[3:13] # Oh y- [3:14]
[3:20] We chose the buttons to be # teletext, okay button, favourite channel and the mute, so that's basically what we chose there. If you have anything to add, please interrupt me. [3:34]
[3:29] Mm-hmm. [3:29]
[3:32] Okay. [3:32]
[3:34] No, uh this is just a description of what we see there, so. [3:37]
[3:37] Yeah. [3:37]
[3:37] Yeah. [3:38]
[3:37] # Oh. [3:39]
[3:38] Speaks for itself. [3:39]
[3:42] That's pretty much it. [3:43]
[3:44] # Okay. That's my time to ruin everything. Well, not ruin everything, but - no huh. Finances, that's what we have here, what you drew. We have battery power, we have advanced chips and the sam- the sensor, sample sensor and uh - for speech* recognition anyway. So which - you see the - which is de- # one of the most expensive parts. So - well, we have si- one curve, a design, rubber design, and we had a special colour. I suppose yellow is a special colour. So just half a Euro for each. You have pushbuttons and an L_C_D_ display. You have the total of seventeen Euros in production cost, which is higher than the twelve and a half that we are permitted to use. So (easy), what do we scrape. (Only) think I had the best solution that I came up with is just to s- take out the speech recognition. [4:43]
[3:51] Oh sorry. # [3:53]
[4:30] Hmm. [4:30]
[4:36] Hmm. [4:36]
[4:39] # I - [4:39]
[4:43] Yeah. [4:44]
[4:44] I'd say that too. [4:45]
[4:44] Because the L_C_D_ has more support on customer side. There are ninety one percent of uh the people (who are) - something like that, but ninety percent who favour an L_C_D_ display, and only sixty percent that favour speech recognition. I think it's (also harder to -) [4:58]
[4:47] Hmm. [4:47]
[4:56] Uh we don't really have a extra function with the speech (sample), which you can't do with a normal remote control, which people already do, so. [5:4]
[4:57] Yeah. [4:58]
[5:02] Hmm. [5:2]
[5:03] (??) so I ju- I took that out. So so we're still stuck with thirteen, so I had to take out the special colour I suppose and - yeah, I did't see anything else I could take out. [5:15]
[5:16] Yeah, I could take out the pushbuttons, but we need those, so. (Generally) what I came up with, in order to be cou- to to have (special colours) for twelve and a half Euros, spe- scrape speech recognition and the separate covers can account for the - if people want it, we'll just - then we'll do it in black. We'll just deliver it in black, have th- it has all the function that it's supposed to have, and if you want if you want the custom design, then you can buy the separate covers, you make it d- orange or whatever you want. [5:45]
[5:16] Pushbutto- [5:17]
[5:19] $ [5:20]
[5:20] Special colour, yeah. [5:21]
[5:43] Well, I'd I tend to disagree with you on that, because the trend issue was a big issue when we started designing this, so can't we just basically extend it to thirteen? [5:56]
[5:49] It was a big issue, but - [5:51]
[5:52] I'll just go back, uh let's just - let's see what - okay, let's just see what we - no, we we have to be under twelve and a half, it it's not - uh the project is a no-go if we go over twelve and a half, so. [6:3]
[5:58] Yeah, i- [5:58]
[6:00] Okay, but there's another problem. [6:1]
[6:00] And the p- [6:1]
[6:02] Okay. [6:2]
[6:03] But there's another problem. If we take another cover, for instance black, then we also need another button frame, 'cause black and black doesn't work obviously. [6:10]
[6:03] Wha- [6:4]
[6:10] I think you - that's what you were ass- assigned to do (really), to to see how b- the both of us work together. So I think - yeah, it's - I think it's y- one of the - it's a good way to um [6:21]
[6:13] Huh. [6:13]
[6:15] Huh. Yeah. [6:16]
[6:22] to help people # uh to make - to keep the product trendy too, just keep - just make new covers for it for it, like we agreed before. And everything that's left is is the basic function that uh that we want our product to have, because the expensive parts are in (??) the advanced chip, but we need that for the L_C_D_ display. Then again, we have the L_C_D_ display, which is also expensive, # but (??) go together. And yeah, we could take out the curve. [6:49]
[6:23] Hmm. [6:23]
[6:25] Hmm. [6:26]
[6:28] # Uh. [6:28]
[6:29] I agree. [6:29]
[6:49] Or say let's lose rubber, take plastic. [6:52]
[6:50] We could take out a curve indeed. [6:52]
[6:52] Could - we could take out the curves, is that an option? [6:54]
[6:55] Yes. [6:55]
[6:55] Mm uh. [6:55]
[6:55] For you? [6:56]
[6:57] Although we are demolishing a little bit the style. [7:0]
[6:57] But uh the - and - [7:0]
[6:58] I think the colour is more important than the - really the curve, because if you just end up with an entirely black remote control - [7:6]
[7:05] Yeah. The people - [7:7]
[7:05] I think it's uh it does ruin it, but the fact that I t- took that decision or it [7:11]
[7:07] Yeah. [7:8]
[7:13] took this example actually, not really decision, but the example is because we do offer the um # the possibility of adding your own custom covers, so you can change between any colour you want, so (it lets) you deliver a basic remote control with a possibility to change you into whatever you want. [7:31]
[7:31] Can we then not also uh change the material? We take plastic for the basic cover and - [7:37]
[7:36] You can take plastic, but I - it's something that's stuck into my mind is that - something that really came forward from the marketing research is that people like the the the the squishy feeling of - the spongy feeling of the - and it really makes it - also makes it different from the existing remote controls, because they're all plastic. So which in in term- # rubber would increase durability, because it doesn't break. [7:59]
[7:45] Spongy, yeah. [7:46]
[7:48] We can put those to the to the other covers. [7:50]
[7:52] And - [7:52]
[7:53] That's true. [7:54]
[7:57] But - okay. [7:58]
[8:00] But what do you then suggest we'd lose? Because we have to lose two things and - I guess. [8:4]
[8:04] I uh - like I said, I lost the speech recognition and I lost the special colour, which would make this black a- black and grey. Yeah, that's that that that's enough, because [8:13]
[8:05] But - [8:5]
[8:06] Yes. [8:7]
[8:09] Okay, and that's enough? [8:10]
[8:12] So black and grey is okay. [8:14]
[8:14] I guess those are the basic colours, so. Oh. [8:17]
[8:16] Hmm. [8:16]
[8:16] # Which we can fabricate, okay. [8:18]
[8:18] I think those are basic co- [8:19]
[8:18] The people want to pay for for it, so why why uh # do we have to keep us # um on the twelve and a half? [8:28]
[8:22] They wanted - [8:22]
[8:27] To ensure the profit, that that's that's the order, we're just uh we're the project team and we got our our orders from the pro- from the boss of our company which say we don't wanna spend more than twelve fifty for this. But that's not for our - that's not our decision to take. We have a budget of twelve fifty per product, so. [8:44]
[8:34] Yeah. [8:35]
[8:36] But we can take a risk. [8:37]
[8:41] No, we basically - [8:42]
[8:41] Okay, yeah. [8:42]
[8:43] We need to stick to that. [8:45]
[8:45] Stick to that. I don't think it's really bad either. I mean if we we have the the backup of - or the backup design thing [8:51]
[8:51] I hope the people will like it, but - [8:52]
[8:52] to have - I think they would do. # I think they do like (??) we we agree upon that the that the the the cover thing was a nice idea, because p- you could have all sort of designs while at the same time just manufacturing one product, one basic product which you can turn into any any taste you want, so I think it's the best solution to make those cu- custom covers for the design aspect and keep the functionality between of - within the # the boundaries of the your f- uh your budget, so. [9:25]
[8:58] # [8:58]
[9:07] Yeah. [9:7]
[9:15] But we should make # - [9:17]
[9:15] Yeah. [9:16]
[9:19] Uh. [9:19]
[9:24] (The first sheet.) [9:25]
[9:25] But we should make clear to our customer that we had to do this to stay under the cost and that uh they know that this is an option and that we had to drop the option to stay under the cost, that they know that. [9:36]
[9:36] W- I don't think - yeah, is it worth is it - does it mean anything to the customer? Like it like we don't care - we (have care) that you had to - [9:43]
[9:38] Perhaps they decide tha- [9:39]
[9:38] But they do- [9:39]
[9:41] Of course. Perhaps they uh - no, but perhaps they think uh okay, the cover is such a nice idea, uh let's - (??) then they uh d- allow us to make some more costs. [9:51]
[9:52] We ca- we uh we can at least tell them that - [9:54]
[9:53] True, but we didn't we didn't get that. So I think it's - it should either be a pack, maybe we sh- that should be sold in in the s- in stores with with a standard cover or something, but - [10:4]
[9:56] You don't know that. [9:56]
[9:58] Well - [9:58]
[10:03] No, I'm not uh talking about that (??) but the one that g- has given us the order to design this. We could at least m- uh make it like this, like you said, and then tell them okay, we had to drop this and that, just that you know. It is an - still an option, but # not for this price. [10:18]
[10:09] They could, but uh - [10:10]
[10:17] It's an option, but - yeah, it's true. So actually uh it's not that much of an increase, but yeah. We cannot contact them, it's just the order that we got, so that's what we gotta go with. So it's either one fi- # just just f- just to get it through final - it's either # turned into plastic, drop the squishy feel, make it make it more breakable um or turn it yellow, so. # [10:44]
[10:22] And if we - [10:23]
[10:24] Exactly, but - [10:25]
[10:38] Yeah. [10:38]
[10:39] Hmm. [10:39]
[10:45] It's uh something we have to decide on. [10:48]
[10:49] I'd say lose the curve and the colour and - [10:54]
[10:52] I said lose the curve. Oh that's true, we could lose the c- yeah, I forgot that, sorry. Uh the curve, so. # That's just this one just uh - this is the banana curve. [11:2]
[10:58] So which curve is that ba- that's basically that curve. [11:1]
[11:02] Hmm. [11:3]
[11:04] Yeah, that's (okay). [11:5]
[11:04] So this would this would be straight. [11:6]
[11:04] So we can u- still have the comfort. [11:6]
[11:07] No uh no, that would be curve inside the thing, I guess. (??) then it would just be a straight remote. Just like (#), like that. [11:16]
[11:15] Hmm. [11:16]
[11:18] Which would, yeah, turn it into something far more ordinary. We could make it yellow then, but - [11:25]
[11:24] # I second that. [11:26]
[11:27] You second that, you second that we lose the curve. [11:29]
[11:29] No, that it would turn out to be a pretty straightforward remote control. So that - it's not really that (??). [11:37]
[11:34] Okay, yeah. [11:34]
[11:34] Yeah. Yeah. [11:36]
[11:36] So I think it would be a good idea to keep the curve # to separate it from the rest of the remote controls world so to speak. So we keep the curve. [11:44]
[11:47] So the only only solution is either to use the l- lose the yellow or lose the rubber. And I'm in favour of keeping the rubber, because it has more more advantages than the colour yellow has. [11:59]
[11:47] I would - [11:47]
[11:55] # Uh. [11:56]
[11:57] I agree. [11:58]
[11:59] I would say - I would agree with you on the colour, because that's an extra option, an extra service we can deliver for a little bit of more money, so we can always do that. [12:10]
[11:59] Yeah. [12:0]
[12:06] Mm-hmm. [12:6]
[12:08] Yeah, um I guess people are willing to pay for that, so I think we can take that option and just - with uh with the idea in the back of our head that you can customise your remote control, so I think that would still make it a nice product. Okay, (we're final) on that, so. # It's too bad we can't make the whole super thing, but anywas we're here. Um yeah, [12:31]
[12:11] Yeah. [12:11]
[12:17] Yes. [12:17]
[12:30] Which is basically what we discussed. [12:32]
[12:32] this we discussed just now. [12:33]
[12:35] That's just (now) - just - we could just discuss other project (work) I mean. I was kind of [12:39]
[12:40] And I want to do that. [12:41]
[12:40] I soft of expected that everything would turn out this way, but - because y- yeah, everything cannot be for free. We didn't - I think it was too bad we didn't have the financial info the last time, because that was I th- it was really essential really to ma- because we spent uh # uh entire stage designing a product of which we had no idea what it would cost, so we just put something # - I think it's really nor- not in (stroke) with reality actually, so. [13:10]
[12:52] Yes, we could've - [12:55]
[13:02] Hmm. [13:2]
[13:03] Yeah. [13:4]
[13:09] Me too, I felt a bit blind throughout the project, because in the beginning I had no list of available materials, and then I d- had not list of available c- finances, so. [13:18]
[13:12] Yeah. [13:12]
[13:13] Yeah, I think (??) would have been. Materials would be ok- at least the last (??), I would have expected ha- to have that. So (I suppose) - [13:23]
[13:23] Let's um # see (??) um - [13:27]
[13:26] Yeah, let's see if it sells. I mean I suppose this sells, because it's very $ very extended, but - [13:32]
[13:29] Hmm. [13:29]
[13:32] I hope it sells. [13:35]
[13:33] Let's - [13:33]
[13:34] Uh - [13:35]
[13:35] Hmm. [13:35]
[13:35] I suppose it sells, because it's good. I mean it's got everything for the for the reasonable price, because we didn't know what it's gonna cost anyway. [13:43]
[13:37] Oh. [13:37]
[13:47] Hmm. [13:47]
[13:48] Okay, let's eval- evaluate uh the product of us, our design. Um I have some # - uh a method, requirements and (scale). I uh will pre- present uh some statements and we will decided together w- what - if it's true or false and uh then we see uh if the requirements of the user are fulfilled or not. [14:16]
[14:10] Okay. [14:11]
[14:15] # Have been met, okay. [14:17]
[14:17] And I will [14:18]
[14:20] uh make a new blank sheet. [14:22]
[14:22] # Yeah. [14:23]
[14:24] So so the buttons, the look and feel. I thought it was okay, but the advanced uh settings, um screen, audio and channel - [14:34]
[14:34] But you're basically through the menu button. [14:38]
[14:35] They're stuck under menu. [14:36]
[14:36] We are not - [14:36]
[14:37] (Further) menu. I think those are totally met, because we really took them for the - # they have the feel they want, they have the simplicity they want. I think it's very uh very well met. Either two or one maybe. [14:48]
[14:39] Oh the menu button is it. [14:40]
[14:41] Okay. [14:42]
[14:44] Than it's all uh - [14:45]
[14:47] It's it's true. [14:48]
[14:49] I think we took that - everything they wanted into consideration, so it could either be a two or a one. [14:53]
[14:51] Yeah. [14:51]
[14:53] So d- [14:54]
[14:55] Oh wait. Uh pen. The - [14:59]
[14:56] One and a half. $ [14:57]
[14:59] Which is not an option. $ [15:1]
[15:01] Oh yeah, it's red, okay, but - [15:3]
[15:02] Just create our own option. $ [15:4]
[15:04] Look and feel is everybo- it's true. [15:7]
[15:10] # Yeah. [15:11]
[15:11] So [15:11]
[15:12] (A_ one.) And the next one # uh - yeah, when it's lost uh you can find it. It's - [15:21]
[15:19] It's perfect, even for deaf people, yeah. It's - I don't think it's perfect, but we did everything possible to to get it back, because if it's stuck in you couch, you can see the light, maybe you can hear it, but - I mean we tried, so I think it - that's - that there is a one. [15:31]
[15:21] # [15:21]
[15:24] To make it that way, yeah. [15:26]
[15:29] Yeah. And it's [15:30]
[15:32] and it's - yeah. [15:33]
[15:34] Definitely. [15:35]
[15:38] (To fight.) That's okay then. And the next one [15:42]
[15:44] (How is that?) We ha- we don't have an uh [15:47]
[15:48] Manual. [15:49]
[15:49] manual, yeah. [15:50]
[15:50] Mm. [15:50]
[15:51] I think the L_C_D_ display could be a little bit more difficult then a normal remote control, but then again, it's for young people, so [15:59]
[15:51] But I think that's a part of it, but - [15:53]
[15:54] I'd use an (??). [15:56]
[15:56] Mm yeah. [15:57]
[15:59] Yeah, an L_C_D_, it tells a lot about uh - [16:1]
[16:01] # (you know), I th- [16:2]
[16:02] And it's pretty straightforward, you have a navigation - no keys to navigate through the L_C_D_ menus, so. [16:9]
[16:03] It's pretty straightforward, uh-huh. [16:5]
[16:05] (Yeah), that's true. [16:6]
[16:07] I think it won't be a big problem. [16:9]
[16:08] Yeah. [16:8]
[16:09] So it's a one or - dunno. [16:12]
[16:10] One I d- no, actu- [16:13]
[16:14] I think - but we didn't even - # there was no issue on making a manual actually. We didn't didn't really discuss it, but [16:20]
[16:15] For the advanced uh settings. [16:17]
[16:19] Nah okay, tha- that's true. [16:20]
[16:21] I don't think it takes - no, it really do- doesn't take time to learn, I think. We took it s- it's so easy, we have so little button, everything speaks for itself really. So I think that's - yeah, we didn't - it's either two or one, I guess. Maybe it's a two, because # the L_C_D_ is a little is a little new and there is - there are some options hidden under the menu button, so I might make this a two instead of a one, I guess. [16:42]
[16:25] Oh, so - [16:26]
[16:25] No, it it is pretty straightforward. [16:27]
[16:29] Uh. And - [16:31]
[16:31] Takes no ti- [16:32]
[16:36] With the more important funtions on - [16:39]
[16:38] Yeah. [16:39]
[16:42] And the L_C_D_, you have to see it. [16:44]
[16:45] # So let's make that a two. [16:46]
[16:47] Um # - [16:49]
[16:52] Oh, it's a little bit [16:54]
[16:55] learning. [16:56]
[17:02] Okay. Uh yeah # it's uh a little bit the same, but it tells you uh not - [17:11]
[17:08] Hmm. [17:9]
[17:10] You can use the L_C_D_ in a good way. I think so, I think it's perfect, the - where it is, what it can do, if it's useful. I think so. [17:18]
[17:17] But wha- um yeah. What are we [17:21]
[17:18] Hmm. [17:18]
[17:22] displaying on the L_C_D_ screen? Just uh only the channels and - or - [17:27]
[17:28] In the menus uh. [17:29]
[17:30] What uh? [17:30]
[17:30] Things like brightness and uh those kind of things we've put in the menu, because we have no buttons for those. [17:36]
[17:35] Well, basically the menu options indeed. [17:38]
[17:38] Oh, in the L_C_D_ screen. [17:40]
[17:39] No, y- I mean in the L_C_D_ screen, the small screen, what does it display? [17:42]
[17:41] And for a channel selecetion uh - or that's not - [17:44]
[17:43] W- I thought it was I thought it was - I thought the people wanted previews on their - I'm not sure if that even possible, but - 'cause it's - this requires a quite quite a bit of bandwidth. I don't think it's possible really, but [17:54]
[17:47] Yeah, I thought I thought too wi- $ yeah. [17:50]
[17:55] the- they didn't really define (in) what should be used for. [17:58]
[17:56] But - [17:56]
[17:58] Maybe a T_V_ guide or something in your L_C_D_ uh. [18:1]
[17:58] (No.) [17:59]
[18:00] But I think i- for example like T_V_ guide, I think that's the th- that you can transmit (through it) and everything. Just for extra information on your programmes. [18:7]
[18:02] Yeah. [18:3]
[18:08] Yeah, it must be clear then wha- what what for we use it. [18:11]
[18:08] But also things like like like menus or p- how about preferences of your - uh with configuring your remote contro for favourite - your favourite channel for example, how do you configure that? So that could be done by the L_C_D_ display. I think it's good. Nah, maybe it's not a one because it's - we're not using it perfectly, we didn't give it - I don't thing (over) discussing now we gave it enough thought though. I think we should just (lower this). Maybe maybe it's a three though. We could've used it more effectively probably. [18:35]
[18:15] Yeah. [18:15]
[18:16] Yeah. [18:16]
[18:29] Yeah. [18:29]
[18:36] Yeah, indeed. [18:37]
[18:38] So everybody's agree with an uh three on it, it's - [18:41]
[18:41] Yes. [18:42]
[18:41] # Two or three, so. [18:44]
[18:42] Yeah, we are using it, but it's not it's not poorly used, but it's not efficiently used, I think. We could have ev- even lost # the selection button and uh done everything via L_C_D_ selection. (But) now it's just extra # to illustrate im- uh (extra*) features, but okay. [18:59]
[18:43] Yeah. [18:44]
[18:52] Yeah. [18:53]
[18:56] Yeah, ('cause I -) [18:57]
[18:59] A three. [18:59]
[19:00] Nah, it's not really - only an extra. (No menus) (??). [19:4]
[19:02] You can - seven. $ [19:6]
[19:02] Ah, nothing, that's $ - [19:4]
[19:05] Seven, that's uh - [19:7]
[19:07] Can you talk to remote control? Well, it can't talk anymore. So we scrape that. [19:12]
[19:08] Or we could say it - $ [19:10]
[19:11] $ Yeah. [19:12]
[19:13] Or we could say neutral, we - 'cause we scratched the - [19:16]
[19:14] Oh ye- uh. $ (Just to be a prick), but of course you can talk to your remote control. It doesn't do anything, but you can $ you can talk to it. [19:21]
[19:18] (Top.) $ Yeah yeah yeah yeah. [19:20]
[19:20] # Not with the speech recognition. Uh yeah, all the trends and no colours uh anymore, so. [19:27]
[19:27] Well, we did take everything in consideration of course. The shape shape is i- [19:31]
[19:30] Yeah, (all in) - # um only the (??). [19:33]
[19:32] I think we - yeah, I think that's okay. [19:34]
[19:35] But the colours, we don't have special colours on it. [19:37]
[19:36] No, we don't have the colour, so I - [19:38]
[19:37] Yeah, with special co- but we took into consideration the fact that it's customisable to the fashi- [19:42]
[19:40] Yeah, but we # - yeah, we don't have it, so - [19:44]
[19:41] Yes, but the end product - so. [19:44]
[19:44] We don't have it - we do have it, it's just sold as a package, it does - it's not part of the basic product. [19:50]
[19:45] In the end product. [19:46]
[19:46] But - [19:46]
[19:50] Changing covers is also a trend that we followed. [19:53]
[19:53] That that's what I call trendy, I mean the shape is trendy, the the sh- the the functions are trendy. It's just the colours that are not (support in) the basic model. Because you ha- it's just not affordable at the (moment). [20:5]
[20:02] (No.) [20:2]
[20:04] But it's not a one. [20:5]
[20:04] Maybe we should go with a two then, because it's not perfect, because we can't do it initially, but we - [20:10]
[20:06] Yeah. [20:7]
[20:09] Oh. $ [20:10]
[20:09] Hmm. [20:10]
[20:09] It's possible, but you have to pay extra for the for the possibility* of having it in a f- a different colour. [20:15]
[20:17] Oh well. [20:18]
[20:19] (Hmm.) [20:20]
[20:33] (Uh it's) a two, right? [20:37]
[20:37] Yeah. [20:37]
[20:37] Hmm [20:38]
[20:42] (Only) last one. Uh that n- that's all. [20:45]
[20:45] Overall score. [20:46]
[20:46] Overall. # It's uh [20:49]
[20:49] One two three. (??) sixteen. [20:52]
[20:50] # ten, sixteen [20:53]
[20:54] three - uh two two point seven or something like (that). [20:59]
[20:55] # Two two point some- two point something. [20:58]
[21:02] I dunno uh. [21:3]
[21:03] Ten, sixteen, [21:5]
[21:04] (Ten sixteen.) [21:5]
[21:06] divided by - [21:8]
[21:07] # Six. [21:8]
[21:08] Six. [21:8]
[21:13] Is two two third. [21:15]
[21:16] Two and two thirds. [21:17]
[21:18] Hmm. [21:18]
[21:21] So we can say it it's - the product is - it's okay. [21:26]
[21:26] It's okay, but # that's yo- m- mostly it's it's influenced by the fact that we didn't have enough resources to implement speech recognition, 'cause yeah, that gives you a seven, which ruins your your average. [21:39]
[21:27] Y- not - [21:28]
[21:27] Hmm. [21:28]
[21:36] Hmm. [21:36]
[21:39] Yeah. [21:40]
[21:40] Without that it would be like under - it wouldn't - yeah, it would be under two. So I think we have - even with this it's reasonable. [21:47]
[21:46] Wow. [21:46]
[21:49] Yeah, if we make it into a four, as in neutral, because we didn't implement it, so we can't say that we - and it's really not well-implemented. We come out on a average of two one eight, [22:0]
[21:56] Yeah. [21:56]
[22:01] I think it's - two is okay. [22:2]
[22:02] so which is pretty w- good. It's at least on the positive side, so. We could definitely have done better if we've had more resources, but - [22:11]
[22:03] Hmm. [22:3]
[22:04] Yeah, two is pretty good. [22:5]
[22:06] Hmm, of course. [22:7]
[22:06] Definitely. [22:7]
[22:12] Yeah, I think it's (probably) - I I do admit that we d- # did miss a little - or didn't sp- didn't talk um talk enough about the possibility of the L_C_D_ display. We could have used it more efficiently, we just didn't think of it that way. [22:27]
[22:13] Hmm. [22:13]
[22:14] Yeah. [22:14]
[22:24] Yeah. [22:25]
[22:26] Yeah. Two. [22:28]
[22:27] Yeah, with (??) [22:28]
[22:28] So (??) like I said, # changing channels, everything hidden in your L_C_D_ display, so you just need the navigation buttons to do everything. [22:37]
[22:31] The scale. [22:32]
[22:37] But I think for this price, this is - it's really a reasonable product. It's a good product. [22:41]
[22:40] I think we div- I think we did very well, uh ev- even if you look at this score, we did quite well. (It's) just looking for improvements what what you could have improved, so. [22:49]
[22:42] Uh. [22:43]
[22:44] With an L_C_D_ screen (??) [22:46]
[22:47] # Uh. But if peop- people really want speech recognition, then they must be prepared to pu- to pay more, because it's cannot be done with this. [22:56]
[22:55] Yeah, you can make 'em another one. [22:56]
[22:55] $ They sh- they should get kids, just to (come in T_V_) and say change the channel. $ [22:59]
[22:58] $ [23:0]
[22:59] ($) [23:0]
[23:00] Uh but for this price uh you cannot ask that. You cannot think of that, it's a - [23:4]
[23:02] I don' think so, # i- it's just not it it's not affordable. Or you shou- you should lose the L_C_D_ screen probably, but I think that's - I think the L_C_D_ screen is more worth than speech recognition. [23:11]
[23:04] No, it's not. [23:5]
[23:07] Hmm. [23:8]
[23:10] Mm. It's also more attractive. [23:12]
[23:12] Definitely. Okay, (that was that). [23:15]
[23:16] Yeah. [23:16]
[23:19] Yeah. [23:20]
[23:20] So that's the final product without the speakers, I guess. Let's see, what was uh left in the in the other one. [23:28]
[23:21] So did you - [23:22]
[23:32] [whistling] [23:33]
[23:40] Hmm. # Yeah, we evaluated the product, (we'll now -) general project, what's in for example - I thou- I thought we were pretty creative in what we created. We took the whole new approach of making exchangeable cover for example, which I thought was pretty creative, because it was never never ever listed somewhere. [24:4]
[23:41] # [23:41]
[24:04] Hmm. [24:5]
[24:05] Favourite channel. [24:6]
[24:06] Oh. [24:6]
[24:09] Anyways. Yeah, leadership is up to you. I mean perhaps I screwed up because I $ put a put a speech recognition into it, but that's not for me to decide. I think we did pretty well as teamwork though, because (it) was very hard to work with one another if you cannot communicate in the meantime, because when I got the when I got the input for the financial results, initially of course I wanted to contact you, say look, this is - you're doing the wrong thing, you're s- you're wasting your time now, because we're implementing stuff that we cannot afford, so it would be better if # if there was more communication between uh - because that's that's what would you - what you would normally do, either call or email someone, so that was too bad con- was impossible here anyways. (And ver-) [24:51]
[24:17] Yeah, yeah. [24:18]
[24:22] Hmm. [24:23]
[24:24] Hmm. [24:24]
[24:24] Yeah, you're working separate - [24:26]
[24:28] Uh. [24:28]
[24:31] Yeah. [24:31]
[24:35] Yeah. [24:36]
[24:36] Yeah, yeah yeah. [24:37]
[24:37] Hmm. [24:38]
[24:40] Yeah yeah yeah. Direct uh communication with - yeah. [24:44]
[24:42] And we could share information which we received. [24:44]
[24:46] Hmm. [24:46]
[24:49] That's the same thing that I had in (??). Everybody was using materials that I didn't have, so. [24:53]
[24:53] It didn't have or didn't knew what the costs were. There was just too little information about what things actually cost and if you could use them. So that was a little unclear I suppose. I think a smarboard smartboard is pretty cool. I think it's - especially for design issues, it's very easy just to give your # give your thoughts a little - it's easier to share them. [25:14]
[24:54] Yeah. [24:54]
[24:56] Yeah. [24:56]
[24:59] Hmm. [24:59]
[25:07] $ My handwriting is little bit - yeah. [25:10]
[25:12] Yeah. [25:12]
[25:14] Hmm. [25:14]
[25:14] Although for actual design I'd say the response time should be a little bit higher, because - [25:20]
[25:16] It's a little less - it - the response time is le- is very bad. It's good to visualise everything, but I think the response time should # - could be a lot better. [25:24]
[25:24] The digital pen was definitely better to draw my ideas and to [25:28]
[25:24] But th- that's - [25:25]
[25:27] Definitely. [25:28]
[25:27] Hmm. [25:28]
[25:28] # Yeah, it's true. [25:30]
[25:28] Yeah, okay. [25:29]
[25:29] further elaborate on that, so. [25:31]
[25:30] But there's also one problem with this I notices. Uh you have to finish a page before going to a - [25:36]
[25:35] No, you don't have to. No, you don't. I didn- I didn't check the finish button, I just - you just (ditch it) and you can copy it or whatever. # Uh only if uh you check the notes or # press done, then it um - then you can - then it exports to Word automatically. But it's not necessary to check either one of those two. You can just preview your p- you can just preview your page in the in the programme. [25:58]
[25:36] No. You can - [25:38]
[25:40] Done and then it's okay. [25:41]
[25:42] Okay, I saw that uh - [25:44]
[25:49] Hmm. [25:50]
[25:54] Yeah, but I made - [25:55]
[25:54] Oh, okay. [25:56]
[25:58] Okay, but I made three pages and they were not finished. And when the third one was finished, I wanted to download it and then it was not possible anymore, because you have to close all the (pinnits*) uh the pages before going further. (And when -) [26:9]
[25:58] Okay, yeah. [25:59]
[26:08] Okay, before starting a ne- a new page, okay, that could be (??). [26:11]
[26:09] Oh, okay. [26:10]
[26:10] Exactly. So we cannot work on more than one page at the same time. That's not possible. You have to finish it completely, then download it, it's - then start a new one. That's not very uh handy, but if know that, then it's no problem. [26:22]
[26:12] Oh. [26:12]
[26:14] Hmm. [26:15]
[26:15] Okay. [26:15]
[26:15] Oh can you? Okay. [26:17]
[26:17] Yeah, okay. [26:18]
[26:19] (Let's -) [26:20]
[26:21] Yeah, it's understandable, okay. # Any new ideas? Yeah, more communication between $ between uh - that's the thing I noticed, that communication is very um very important, because if you get new information, it's essential f- for the other teammates to know that as soon as possible, because you would avoid making # - doing extra work, because you were doing extra work now uh working on the on the speech recognition (with limitation) both on the technical and on the d- # on the design side. So I think that could've been better, but that's - the thing is more of a a (setting) here, that you cannot communicate than uh # than somewhere else, so. [26:59]
[26:31] Important to - mm. [26:33]
[26:46] Yeah. [26:47]
[26:57] Hmm. [26:58]
[26:59] Yeah, w- it could also possibly be - # is a more real-time information base, so we can all see # which information is available to one another. [27:9]
[27:05] Yeah, I think so. And l- less p- less spam probably. I'm not sure i- I'm not sure you got spammed as well, but I get spammed like every t- $ every two minutes. There was a there was another email of masterclasses or something, so, which were totally useless actually. I thought I should probably look into them, $ but they're all useless, so I just - [27:22]
[27:15] Hmm. [27:16]
[27:23] Well, I personally did not have that, but [27:25]
[27:23] Hmm. [27:23]
[27:25] Okay. [27:25]
[27:27] that's probably your li- description. (What else I did not) really (??) you had that as well. Is that we finished up the design and then we checked the website, and then there was just extra information. [27:41]
[27:33] # [27:34]
[27:38] Yeah. [27:38]
[27:39] Yeah, after [27:40]
[27:40] Uh. [27:41]
[27:41] after five minutes uh. [27:43]
[27:42] Yeah. [27:43]
[27:43] There was a little delay in that (??) bit of a [27:46]
[27:44] Yeah. [27:45]
[27:45] I didn't have any more information, it's just always the same here, so that's that's kind of a - [27:49]
[27:47] crucial delay. [27:48]
[27:49] Email uh - [27:50]
[27:50] # a change, but not for me. So I'd I had no extra information (to go on that one) than what you give me actually. I couldn't do any research myself or (- also that's -) yeah, I could have done a little extra work probably, and - [28:2]
[27:55] Hmm. [27:55]
[27:57] Hmm. [27:58]
[28:02] Uh it's - [28:3]
[28:04] # But I was busy enough anyway, so. [28:7]
[28:06] Hmm. [28:7]
[28:07] $ Yeah. [28:8]
[28:08] Any new ideas found? (Or is that a problem i- because -) # uh yeah, it's (??). [28:18]
[28:13] # Uh. [28:14]
[28:17] How much time do we have for this anyway? [28:19]
[28:19] I've no clue. That's like - uh (but it -) whoo hoo. $ [28:24]
[28:25] (??) [28:26]
[28:25] Should - if the project is evaluated and it was it was in b- within budget, we should celebrate, so. $ [28:32]
[28:31] $ Yeah. Champagne. [28:36]
[28:32] $ [28:33]
[28:32] Okay, bring out the beer. $ [28:34]
[28:34] $ [28:35]
[28:34] $ [28:35]
[28:39] Uh okay, think that's about it uh. [28:41]
[28:39] I want one for my own. [28:41]
[28:42] I'm not sure what we should still do though uh t- let's see what - all your tasks were finished, right? (What you uh -) from your assistant. So it's - [28:53]
[28:49] Yeah. [28:50]
[28:50] I have no more emails. My couch is uh being very silent now. [28:54]
[28:54] Yeah, my personal coach i- [28:56]
[28:54] Okay, I should - I think I sh- I still have the the total report to finish up. I think we took very little time now, because - [29:2]
[29:04] # Yeah, we're in agreement, everything - the design is okay. The one thing we missed though, [29:9]
[29:10] we have (no) product name. [29:11]
[29:10] What - [29:11]
[29:11] No, we haven't think above - about that. Huh. It's better than thi- I think than a serial number. Sony uh T_R something uh f- means nothing to me. Uh. [29:24]
[29:12] How about you cook a - how about you cook up a product name? [29:15]
[29:13] Product name. [29:14]
[29:13] # Yeah, name. [29:15]
[29:21] Or fruit name. [29:23]
[29:21] Just - oh, think of a catchy name. I'll be working on this until the beep - until it beeps, so. [29:27]
[29:27] (Like fruit names.) [29:28]
[29:29] Fruit name or something like that. The banana remote or something. $ I dunno. $ Yeah, it's the form of it. [29:37]
[29:32] What? Fruit? [29:33]
[29:34] ($) [29:34]
[29:34] You didn't want it to (resemble) a banana. It's not yellow anyway. It's not yellow anymore. It is curved, but - [29:40]
[29:36] The bana- 'cause it's not yellow anymore. [29:39]
[29:38] Yeah - oh, yeah, (with -) [29:40]
[29:40] Uh yeah. [29:41]
[29:42] Well, # I was going for the R_C_ deluxe, but it's not really a catchy name or anything, it's more - [29:48]
[29:42] # Uh - [29:44]
[29:48] No, it's - [29:49]
[29:49] # Uh at least it's not something with numbers. Numbers are so meaningless to the people, I mean - [29:55]
[29:50] Hmm. [29:51]
[29:54] Yeah. [29:54]
[29:57] Something with our company name, can we do anything with that? [30:3]
[29:57] That's true. [29:57]
[30:01] (# Uh.) [30:1]
[30:08] Reaction, Real Reaction. [30:10]
[30:08] Maybe there's something on the website which will help us out. [30:11]
[30:12] # [30:12]
[30:18] Real Reaction. [30:20]
[30:20] (The reaction) deluxe. [30:22]
[30:20] Real Reaction future R_C_. $ [30:23]
[30:25] Step into the future of of remote controlling your T_V_. $ [30:28]
[30:29] $ Is that a name or c- campaign? (??) [30:33]
[30:29] $ [30:30]
[30:31] That's a that's a catchy slogan. [30:33]
[30:36] (Urdu.) [30:36]
[30:36] Control your remote control. [30:37]
[30:37] The Real Reactor. [30:38]
[30:40] (??) [30:40]
[30:40] I go for future R_C_ probably. [30:43]
[30:44] (Something like -) [30:44]
[30:46] The Real Reactor, I don't find that uh that bad at all. [30:50]
[30:46] (It's short f-) [30:47]
[30:46] (??) [30:47]
[30:50] Real Reactor? [30:51]
[30:52] Yeah. Because our name is Real Reaction. [30:54]
[30:53] (You should) write it down as an option. [30:55]
[30:53] Uh that that's [30:54]
[30:55] l- makes me think of different $ products than a remote control really. [31:0]
[31:02] I'm not sure (your reaction in a real -) [31:3]
[31:07] Zapping. [31:8]
[31:09] Yeah. [31:10]
[31:18] So that's one option. [31:19]
[31:19] Real Reactor. [31:20]
[31:30] (Didn't notice.) [31:31]
[31:31] I'm looking for things in the name. (I said that) the first three letters uh s- the same, R_E_A_ R_E_A_ [31:37]
[31:33] Mm. [31:34]
[31:35] Should I write the banana down or - $ [31:37]
[31:38] Yeah, sure. [31:38]
[31:38] I take f- yeah, I take a banana. [31:40]
[31:39] Sure? [31:39]
[31:39] $ The banana. [31:41]
[31:42] Hmm. [31:43]
[31:42] Remote. [31:43]
[31:45] Banana recei- R_C_. [31:47]
[31:46] The triple R_. Real Reaction remote control. Triple R_ [31:53]
[31:50] Remote. [31:50]
[31:51] (??) [31:52]
[31:54] R_ three C_. [31:54]
[31:54] # Do you mean it like - [31:56]
[31:56] (??) [31:56]
[31:57] R_ three C_. [31:58]
[31:59] (??) yeah. [31:59]
[32:00] You mean like this? [32:1]
[32:01] Yeah, tha- [32:1]
[32:01] Real Reaction Remote Control. R_ three C_. Oh yeah. [32:7]
[32:03] (??) [32:3]
[32:06] No, not like that. It should be it should be longer, because it's not a product name that you f- print on a box. [32:11]
[32:11] I think - triple R_. Doesn't sound (??). [32:13]
[32:12] Just write out triple, like the word triple R_C_, triple stripe - uh triple dash R_ dash s- C_. [32:20]
[32:13] Yeah, triple R_. [32:15]
[32:17] Uh. [32:17]
[32:18] Triple R_C_. [32:19]
[32:21] The triple R_C_, yeah. [32:22]
[32:22] # Uh yeah. [32:23]
[32:26] R_ s- R_ three C_. [32:28]
[32:32] (The minutes are up.) [32:33]
[32:36] [sigh] [32:37]
[32:38] R_ dash C_. [32:40]
[32:42] Dash C_? [32:43]
[32:42] I think I like it like this more. [32:44]
[32:43] Dash. Triple R_ or triple R_C_? [32:46]
[32:47] Like a C_ right now or a dash and a C_? [32:49]
[32:47] Triple R_ dash. [32:49]
[32:50] How about do both? [32:51]
[32:51] $ [32:52]
[32:54] (Not) sure if it looks stupid. [32:55]
[32:59] I think the the the R_C_ together takes away the the the image of - it's a triple [33:6]
[33:06] Hmm. [33:6]
[33:07] Uh the first the first one looks like it's a triple remote control, but it's only a single remote control. And it's especially on the triple R_ that's important. The Real Reaction Remote. [33:16]
[33:09] That - [33:9]
[33:15] $ Yeah, this - yeah. [33:17]
[33:15] I would - huh. I would lose the C_. Just name it triple R_. [33:20]
[33:20] Is it triple R_C_s? No. [33:21]
[33:22] It sounds like uh thinking about two different things and combining it. I would just say triple R_s triple R_ [33:28]
[33:25] Triple remote. [33:26]
[33:28] Yeah. [33:29]
[33:30] Yeah, triple R_ # (??). [33:32]
[33:30] # Well, that's another option. [33:32]
[33:32] That's also short, catchy. [33:34]
[33:33] It's okay. [33:34]
[33:36] # Yeah, triple R_. [33:37]
[33:36] Okay, so which ones are we going to scratch [33:39]
[33:39] $ The banana. $ Banana. $ [33:45]
[33:40] definitely? [33:41]
[33:42] Banana. $ [33:44]
[33:42] Banana remote. $ [33:44]
[33:45] I say this one as well. [33:46]
[33:47] Yeah, the deluxe. [33:48]
[33:48] I think we're all in agreement about the triple R_. I think triple R_ is cool. [33:52]
[33:50] Yes. [33:51]
[33:50] (??) triple R_. [33:52]
[33:51] Triple R_? [33:52]
[33:54] Triple R_ it is. [33:55]
[33:54] And it looks cool when you print it in font, looks pretty cool. [33:56]
[33:54] Yeah. [33:54]
[33:57] $ [33:57]
[33:58] What did you do now? [33:59]
[33:59] Just like this and just - and you just print triple R_, it looks - doesn't look bad, it's short, it's okay. So if I write my report now, I guess um - [34:7]
[34:01] Yeah. [34:2]
[34:04] Yeah. [34:4]
[34:10] Hmm. [34:11]
[34:16] Yeah, so we have everything. (We have) the product, we have the costs, we have the possibility of everything, okay. I think it's a (??) return to my lair and finish the report. [34:31]
[34:20] # Uh. [34:21]
[34:21] (It can work, that one uh.) [34:23]
[34:33] It was a short meeting. [34:34]
[34:34] Mm-hmm. [34:35]
[34:35] Efficient though. [34:36]
[34:38] The boss is always the last one to go home, so. [34:40]
[34:41] Probably. (Let's see.) Okay, goodbye. [34:48]
[34:43] % [34:44]
[34:46] Okay. [34:47]
[34:47] See you in a minute. [34:49]
[34:53] Damn. [34:53]
[34:59] I will write that one [35:1]
[35:04] in a Word uh document. [35:6]
[35:06] Okay. [35:7]
[35:46] Could you guys draw me a picture of the final design? To put on the cover of the report. [35:50]
[35:49] Yeah, sure. [35:50]
[35:52] [whistling?] [35:53]
[35:53] Can't we take this one? [35:54]
[35:54] (Oh sh-) [35:55]
[35:57] Overwise we have to do it all over again. [35:59]
[35:57] Um. [35:58]
[36:01] I don't really know whether we can just save it as a picture or not. [36:4]
[36:05] Is it okay if I try? Is that okay with you? [36:8]
[36:07] Yeah, okay, I will ask you and uh I need the information, so it's - oh. [36:15]
[36:10] I'll put it back in a minute. [36:11]
[36:15] Okay, it has been saving something, but where to I don't know. [36:19]
[36:18] Uh. [36:18]
[36:20] Oh. [36:21]
[36:22] (Merge.) [36:23]
[36:23] Oh, can I say exp- yes, I can. Export as J_PEG. [36:28]
[36:37] (??) [36:39]
[36:40] Okay, can I not put this - [36:42]
[36:44] (??) [36:44]
[36:47] My document is the wrong one uh. [36:49]
[36:48] But - [36:48]
[36:50] Yeah, but - [36:51]
[36:52] I cannot - [36:52]
[36:52] Yeah, what place is - [36:53]
[36:52] I dunno, smart- no. [36:54]
[36:55] (??) [36:55]
[36:55] Ma- it's maybe it's not on the network of uh the rest. That one is uh. [37:1]
[36:59] I don't think so. [37:0]
[37:02] Document and settings. [37:3]
[37:02] I wouldn't pick that one, no. [37:3]
[37:06] (%) [37:7]
[37:08] That's a pity. That means that we have to gonna draw it again. [37:12]
[37:16] Are you gonna do that? Okay. [37:18]
[37:17] Sure. Oh. [37:19]
[37:27] Yes. [37:28]
[37:30] Okay. [37:30]
[37:32] Okay. [37:33]
[37:34] Okay. [37:35]
[37:39] Yes, that's correct. [37:40]
[37:39] Yeah. [37:40]
[37:46] Okay. [37:47]
[37:46] Okay. [37:47]
[37:53] No. Oh, it's export. [37:55]
[37:56] Oh yeah, (??). [37:58]
[37:59] (??) [37:59]
[38:01] Okay. [38:2]
[38:03] Can I see scores uh? (??) one uh one, two threes. [38:7]
[38:03] Oh, of course. Sorry. [38:5]
[38:09] Okay, and then we'll (??) - yes. [38:12]
[38:16] I see you later. [38:17]
[38:17] Yeah. [38:17]
[38:29] % [38:30]
[38:33] Mm. [38:33]