[0:01] Wait for the marketing director actually, so. [0:3]
[0:02] (??) [0:3]
[0:07] Anways. [0:7]
[0:09] [Dutch] [0:12]
[0:13] Uh. [0:14]
[0:21] (See) shall we wait? I'm not sure if he's (late or delayed) or whatever, so. I'm gonna start soon, we have now - don't have much time anyway. There you are, okay. [0:31]
[0:21] [Dutch] [0:23]
[0:29] Oh, there he is. [0:30]
[0:29] Okay, we - [0:30]
[0:29] Yes. Sorry, a little bit of pl- little problem with computer. [0:34]
[0:32] Uh no problem. We're about to start, so have a seat. [0:34]
[0:39] Okay, welcome again. Today, functional design phase. [0:42]
[0:40] % [0:41]
[0:43] (??) [0:44]
[0:45] I'll take you over the minutes of last last meeting. Okay, that was just a (??) to know each other, have a little thoughts on what your vision is and - on this project, so. I put the minutes on the - I made on the on the p- the the project share, so if you wanna review them, they're there. I will do so after every meeting, so if you have some information (you wanna take back) you can find it there. Anywas, um today three presentations, for every one of you. [1:9]
[0:48] Uh. [0:49]
[1:09] Um (after they) got some new project requirements from project board, so we're gonna go af- go after - over this later. But I wanna start with uh stuff you did first, so we can see what everybody came up with. And after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts, so. Who would like - wanna go first? [1:27]
[1:28] Yeah, sure, no problem. Um there was a little problem with my computer so not uh the whole uh presentation uh - [1:36]
[1:29] Go ahead. [1:30]
[1:29] Take it. [1:30]
[1:35] # Anyway, let's see what you have. [1:37]
[1:37] Yeah. [1:38]
[1:39] Um - [1:40]
[1:48] Okay, and [1:49]
[1:49] (Uh it's still a bit open.) [1:50]
[1:51] I want to open the my s- oh no. [1:54]
[1:54] You should close it on your own notebook, I guess. Yeah. (So there?) Okay. [1:58]
[1:57] Oh no, that's okay. [1:58]
[2:00] Uh slide show. [2:1]
[2:02] Yes. The functional requirements, it's uh # uh very important for uh the user, he he wants to - yeah. The the method we used uh it it's not m- not a slide, because it went wrong, but the method we use uh, um # we tested it w- uh with uh a hundred uh men, and we asked them to w- uh what the remote uh f- feel uh like and uh what what's uh important. Uh - [2:35]
[2:34] So I can cut in, is it people or men? # (It's) people, okay. 'Cause I thought it was only men, so. 'Kay. [2:40]
[2:36] People, sorry. Both women and men, yeah. Okay. Uh the findings um uh # seventy five percent of the users find most remote controls ugly. Um - [2:49]
[2:50] It's pretty shocking uh. $ [2:52]
[2:51] So we have to s- we have to do something about that. [2:52]
[2:51] Yeah, and - yeah, most th- th- they want to spend money for a better system, for better remote control, so we can do uh a l- a little uh nice things with it, and um they use - yeah, they use zap a lot, um (a fifty percent say they only) - [3:10]
[3:11] So that's the most important things. Um - oh yeah, not all of it is it on mine [3:18]
[3:12] Okay. [3:14]
[3:18] on my PowerPoint presentation, but um uh the relevant buttons are the power, the channel selection and the volume selection. It's uh the most basic buttons that a user wants uh # to use. Uh less important's tel- teletext, [3:35]
[3:20] Okay, just talk ahead. [3:21]
[3:36] Mm-hmm. [3:36]
[3:36] uh um they use it, but it's not uh very uh important uh on the scale of zero to ten they six and a half uh and - but not important is the channel selection, the the # - hmm? Oh, $ the the - no no no no no, that's very important, but uh w- and not important in the audio settings, display settings and uh - [4:5]
[3:47] Okay, that's okay. [3:48]
[3:54] That's a little weird. [3:55]
[3:55] # Which channel selection? [3:56]
[4:05] Okay, we can we can hide those under a menu or something, okay. [4:8]
[4:06] Oh, okay. [4:6]
[4:06] Yeah. [4:7]
[4:09] # Um new preferences* preferences. Uh um um beep to find your control, was - that was (??) in the test, the the most people uh f- find it uh irritating uh when they cannot find a rem- their remote control, so uh I think it's a bee- beep to sound it and uh you can find it. And another thing uh they want was uh speech recognition um so they can say uh what they want to - let's go to channel one and uh that's uh kind of things. And they want maybe an uh L_C_D_ screen um to to look it um wh- what's on every channel uh and uh what do (I want with it)? [4:56]
[4:18] Like a button on your T_V_? [4:19]
[4:26] Mm. [4:26]
[4:26] (Remote), okay. [4:27]
[4:44] Okay. [4:45]
[4:55] We wanna have a little preview on the remote control. Preview what's on the channel. Okay. [5:0]
[4:58] # Yeah. [4:58]
[5:00] Is that manageable? 'Cause it sounds pretty expensive too. [5:3]
[5:03] That sounds too - it's possible, but uh I think it's expensive, but do continue. [5:7]
[5:04] Yeah. [5:4]
[5:07] Okay. [5:7]
[5:08] Yeah. Um [5:9]
[5:11] uh my personal preferences is uh a button for my favourite channel, so I can uh (I dunno), so I can zap to my uh [5:20]
[5:21] (??) [5:22]
[5:22] f- uh quick uh to my favourite channe wh- what I uh - so, the remote mu- must see or um [5:31]
[5:33] must um # see wha- what mine preferences are for which channel, so I can zap t- to - [5:39]
[5:37] Okay, you don't set it yourself, it just remembers the channel that you are on most, for example. You want the - you want it to be programmed, for example y- programmed f- or you want it to recognise your favourite channel? Let's see, you you spend twenty minutes each day on that channel, so it recognises your favourite channel. [5:54]
[5:42] What? [5:42]
[5:45] Yeah. [5:46]
[5:47] Yeah. [5:47]
[5:49] Recognise - [5:50]
[5:52] Yeah. [5:52]
[5:54] Yeah, that's uh what my personal preferences (like). [5:58]
[5:57] Okay, so it's it it does - it recognise itself, you don't have to set it - okay. [6:2]
[6:01] No, itself. Maybe it's easier to $ to sell it, but - [6:6]
[6:08] Okay. [6:9]
[6:08] I don't know it's manageable, but we will uh we will see. Yeah, it's a little bit uh it's the end of it. It's a little bit uh I lost it, the computer uh crashed, so. [6:19]
[6:16] Okay. [6:17]
[6:19] No problem, it's it's okay, let's - yeah, go ahead. [6:22]
[6:21] Shall I go? Okay. [6:22]
[6:26] Yeah. [6:26]
[6:32] So, some technical functions. [6:34]
[6:33] Darn computer. [6:34]
[6:35] Basically I have some issues which you discussed earlier. Uh let's just start with the method. # It sounds really easy, what does the user do, what does the th- remote control do, but there are quite some issues. So the things I'm going to concentrate on are the user aspect, because the technical aspect, that's pretty much covered. We can do that. What goes wrong [7:0]
[6:39] Yeah. [6:39]
[7:01] (that) the user gets the remote control, where is the remote control? We've all had it once, I want to watch some television, where's the remote control? That was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder, a really good idea. Uh these are just the issues. I come to some uh personal experience, findings, possible solutions later. Searches for the button. [7:24]
[7:08] Yeah. [7:8]
[7:12] Yeah. [7:12]
[7:13] (That seems) very good. [7:14]
[7:25] There are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear. Uh so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear. Uh also symbols tend to fade after a while. There's nothing more annoying than faded symbols, because you don't know which channel is this button, so possibly we could find uh something for that, yeah. Uh covered that. Oh yes, user presses the button. Um usually when you have a lot of buttons, buttons are small. So you press more once remote control goes [8:3]
[7:35] Mm uh. [7:35]
[7:35] Mm-hmm. [7:35]
[7:47] Okay, so have it more - make it more durable actually. Okay. [7:50]
[8:04] Okay, so the buttons should be - [8:6]
[8:04] (??) or something like that, so we have to pay attention not to put too mun- too many buttons on uh the remote control. And possibly also the size, so more important buttons, bigger si- [8:17]
[8:10] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [8:12]
[8:14] Wow. The s- yeah. Make it - make them bigger. Even more durable uh. [8:19]
[8:18] So this is basically what I h- had in mind in the - fade-proof symbols, locator, a sound, uh so clear we should stick to existing symbols, but maybe we could do a little uh investigation to see whether some symbols are uh - need to be replaced by others. Uh [8:37]
[8:36] Okay. [8:37]
[8:38] this I pretty much covered. # So what we want to go to is not this one, but more - less buttons, easy, some bigger buttons. [8:49]
[8:45] Yeah, it's true. [8:45]
[8:46] Yeah. [8:46]
[8:50] So that's basically uh what I had in mind. [8:52]
[8:51] Yeah, that's clear. [8:52]
[8:54] This is not the final design, this is just a general idea of how I'd like to see uh basically the general idea. [9:1]
[8:55] No, of course uh - [8:57]
[8:57] Yeah. [8:58]
[9:00] I must say that - [9:0]
[9:03] # So that was it. [9:5]
[9:03] Hmm. [9:3]
[9:05] That was it. Okay, that was good. So we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere and increase it - the durability of of the thing, so. The other aspects, we'll just see how - what you came up with and what's possible for that budget. [9:23]
[9:15] Yeah, I think it's a really good idea. [9:16]
[9:18] Yeah. [9:18]
[9:23] Yeah. [9:23]
[9:30] Okay. [9:30]
[9:31] Okay, that's fine. Um. Okay, now work a little with me. [9:38]
[9:40] Okay. Well, let's start it as it is. Okay, uh the method. There are a few questions that need to be answered, uh you already uh talked about it a little bit. Which buttons are wanted, uh is our remote control universal or should it be programmeable. Uh if it should be programmeab- grammeale- then we need un something like a mode that you can switch it. Because then the buttons have to send out a different signal then they would normally do. And uh how big is the remote control uh going to be? I'll tell you why that's important to me. Um there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control, so uh uh that's # why I also would like to say uh go a little bit easy on the designs, uh I heard ab- uh you talking about beeps and about uh video screens, but uh the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already. [10:30]
[9:41] % [9:43]
[10:05] Mm-hmm. [10:5]
[10:30] So keep in mind that everything that you keep uh - think of, it has to b- to be built. So it's - that's not as easy as it s- might look like. Uh material study, I'm working on that um for the the costs. I have to check out how far I can go with that. Normally, a circuit board is made of fibreglass uh and the wires are made of copper. Uh that is how it is done and all the remote controls work that way, I think we can just go on with that. Um then I've read more integration of materials means less cost for the production. The more we can make uh at once uh in one piece, uh that is cheaper. [11:5]
[10:30] Mm-hmm. [10:30]
[10:35] # Yeah, of course, hmm. [10:36]
[10:36] Okay. [10:37]
[11:05] You mean inegrate them all into the circuit board. Okay. [11:8]
[11:07] Exactly, so if we make a circuit board with the the connections already on it, then that's cheaper. So we have to # make something that's not too difficult in design again. This is what look like uh looks like if you press one button, so this is not the entire thing. You have the the power coming in, then you have like a switch. The switch uh uh # uh if you p- press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor that (thinks) over a Morse code, that's how you should see it. The Morse code goes to the amplifier, then uh the signal is sent to two uh light bulbs*. You have infrared and an interv- um # uh how to say it? Uh a light in indication, light that you know that it's functioning. [11:48]
[11:13] # Yeah, okay, (seven). [11:14]
[11:47] Mm-hmm. [11:47]
[11:48] Uh here again, that's my story about the different modes, if you do want to make remote uh universal, then the processor has to uh make up a different Morse code when some button is pressed. That makes it much more complex, so we really need to have a look, do we want that or not. Uh I don't have any personal p- uh preferences uh so far, except for uh the materials to be used uh light, that they are light. [12:14]
[12:14] Okay. That was it. I'll get back to my thing then. [12:17]
[12:16] # That was it. [12:17]
[12:22] Uh. [12:23]
[12:33] Okay, back this up - to the screen. So I got some new information on the project specifications are changing a little. Like you said uh teletext is not not very popular anymore because the uh the internet (??) people don't use the teletext anymore or hardly, so it can either - well, I don't think we should remove the button, because there are always people who are using it, but I don't think it should be # very - it should be one of the big buttons for example. Just put it somewhere or under second option or whatever. It's not important anymmore. Um we're targeting young people now, because our um - [13:9]
[12:54] Yeah. [12:55]
[13:10] # There's a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people, which your - um the younger people were defined under forty. I- so I think it's - that's also good with the fashion and everything, so yeah. [13:20]
[13:13] Uh. [13:14]
[13:15] Yeah. [13:16]
[13:17] Hmm. [13:17]
[13:18] B- [13:18]
[13:20] Yeah, and they want to pay for it and uh - [13:22]
[13:22] They want to pay for it, people are willing to spend money actually to buy a um remote that they like. If they like the way it looks, the way it functions, so that (they're) actually gonna spend uh spend money on it. [13:31]
[13:27] With more - [13:28]
[13:31] Where - with more technical specifications [13:34]
[13:34] Yeah. (Of course we -) # see how far we can go with it anyway, so. And one thing that should be important is that the corporate l- colour and slogan are recognisable, which is apparently $ black and yellow, but I'm not sure if we - I think we should keep the the logo in mind, because with colours you can uh have a lot of uh fashionable colours and everything (I think) which suits everybody's taste, so with that concept I started thingking, so why not just steal Nokia's idea and just make changeable covers for your - I mean those cost hardly anything I think, and people could even spend extra money [14:10]
[13:35] in the - [13:36]
[13:38] Yeah. [13:38]
[14:08] Yeah. [14:8]
[14:10] on buying a cover and so have an entire new remote control that they like to see, or we can sh- for example we can make a different # - a basic design and sell the covers separately, for example. That's just a little marketing idea that could be applied, so you can p- it appeals to really everyone. So you don't have to - I think you don't have to make entire remote controls, we make a basic one and manufacture this cover separately. So that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone, so just - [14:39]
[14:32] Mm-hmm. [14:32]
[14:37] Hmm. [14:38]
[14:40] I'm not sure if you came up with anything in the meantime, after making a presentation (would you like to share). [14:44]
[14:43] Yeah. [14:43]
[14:45] No, I think this is a good idea. But - [14:48]
[14:47] Okay. [14:47]
[14:47] But - oh? [14:48]
[14:48] Is it manageable? Is it easy? [14:51]
[14:48] Go ahead. [14:49]
[14:49] Yeah, with with an L_C_D_ screen you can - [14:53]
[14:53] I I I think we should lose the L_C_D_ screen, like you said. I think for example it's it's huge - I think the L_C_D_ isn't huge, it consumes batteries like hell. I think it takes over a lot of a lot of power. It costs a lot, I think. What we could do, what could be possible, is maybe not an L_C_D_ screen but with a preview, but y- I'm not sure if it's even possible (??). For example, a little T_V_ guide, like you have a little - just just a text only, no colour, just a little text thing so you can use your remote as a T_V_ guide. I'm not sure it's even possible, but maybe okay, make it - yeah, find a little compromise in that, but - what did I write down? I think the p- yeah, the beep is a very simple thing to imple- implement, just make a button on your T_V_ and just hit the button, it beeps somewhere. I think it's easy to implement, we should go for that. Uh speech recognition [15:38]
[14:53] Y- [14:54]
[14:55] Yes, I think so too. [14:56]
[14:55] Why? Nokia w- [14:57]
[15:00] Uh. [15:1]
[15:02] Yeah. [15:3]
[15:03] And it costs too much to fabricate, so we're on a tight budget here. [15:7]
[15:05] Okay, uh - [15:6]
[15:06] Okay. [15:6]
[15:13] Mm. [15:14]
[15:16] Hmm. [15:16]
[15:18] Mm-hmm. [15:19]
[15:18] Yeah. [15:19]
[15:22] Hmm. I have to check that out, I'm not sure. [15:24]
[15:27] Yeah. [15:28]
[15:32] That must be possible. [15:33]
[15:35] (Yah.) [15:35]
[15:36] (I'm sorry), whe- where do you wanna (hit) the T_- you wanna # - we want a button on the television. (??) In th- okay, but that rules out a universal remote control. [15:46]
[15:37] And it's - [15:38]
[15:41] I thin- yeah, I mean where else should you put it? [15:43]
[15:48] Because that's not possible uh. [15:49]
[15:48] Yeah, but how are you gonna use that if your - I mean if your remote control is lost, how are you gonna press - where are you gonna press the button? [15:55]
[15:52] Uh. [15:52]
[15:53] Yeah. [15:54]
[15:55] Exactly. [15:56]
[15:56] (??) just a slap-on sticker with a button which sends out a small signal. [16:1]
[16:00] A slap-on sticker. Oh, you mean as like a separate thing you can attach to your T_V_. Yeah, that could be possible. A little little box you can (attach to your T_V_ is fine then), okay. [16:9]
[16:04] Mm uh. [16:4]
[16:04] Yeah, exactly. [16:6]
[16:08] Okay, then uh I'd I'd like to know now if we want the uh universal remote control or not, because that's uh determines everything I'm gonna do. (No.) Okay. [16:19]
[16:15] I think it's universal. [16:16]
[16:17] I think we should go for universal, because apparently we're a separate company making separate c- remote controls to sell to a lot of (diverse) people. I think universal remote control should be possible. [16:28]
[16:25] (Yeah.) [16:26]
[16:27] Um - [16:27]
[16:28] Okay, then I go for that. [16:30]
[16:29] Everyone uh wants to buy it, so we w- yeah. [16:33]
[16:31] Yeah, I think we're targeting everyone, so (remote -) [16:33]
[16:31] Yeah. [16:32]
[16:33] Okay. No, it's fine with me, but then I know what to look for. [16:35]
[16:35] Okay, universal's good. Speech recognition, I think it's very hard, because we're selling across multiple countries, so I think implementing speech recognition is such a small um apparatus, it's very hard to do. [16:46]
[16:41] Yeah. [16:41]
[16:44] Or one. [16:45]
[16:46] Or when you say one two uh i- it uh it's enough, right? But - [16:50]
[16:49] Yeah, but I don't see Arabian people speaking one, two uh whatever. [16:54]
[16:52] Oh yeah. [16:53]
[16:53] Besides that, the technology isn't really super yet, so that # is a problem in implementing this. [17:0]
[16:57] It's - yeah. It's not a mature technology, I think it takes a lot of memory and everything in in a remote control, so. [17:3]
[16:57] Yeah. [16:58]
[17:00] # Okay. [17:0]
[17:02] It's a good idea, but it's just not - I don't think the market's ripe for that yet. [17:6]
[17:05] I don't think it should be implemented in a remote control yet uh. What else do we have? Um well you should you should look into the in into the materials that are real durable, so the the the symbols won't fade, maybe a little harder plastic or especially li- we don't - maybe we don't have have to do all the buttons, but especially the ones that are um the popular buttons, so those always fade first. [17:29]
[17:09] Uh-huh. [17:9]
[17:09] Yeah. [17:10]
[17:17] Mm-hmm. [17:17]
[17:19] Exactly. I already noted that. [17:21]
[17:27] Mm, okay. [17:28]
[17:30] Okay. [17:30]
[17:30] Mm the thing is the most important things that we have now. Let's see. [17:35]
[17:33] Hmm. [17:33]
[17:34] If we uh make a remote control with changeable covers, then we can also make uh a cover for every language area. That's fo- # is uh especially for older people, that they can read it read it in their own language. [17:45]
[17:41] For example? [17:42]
[17:44] Well, we're not we're not talking older people, we should remember that. Everything we target is under forty, so. You assume that that they read correctly and I think they're - the most important thing about young people is that they're really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world, so. [17:58]
[17:45] Yeah. [17:45]
[17:47] That's - okay, okay. [17:49]
[17:51] Huh. [17:51]
[17:52] But b- [17:53]
[17:57] Uh okay. [17:58]
[17:59] But should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just the - [18:5]
[18:04] No, of course. No, I think it's just something you you put over them, because (??) yeah, you ca- well, tha- that's not a that's not a bad - that's not even - it's not even a bad idea. I mean, for example, if you're if you're into the durability issue [18:16]
[18:07] Hmm. [18:7]
[18:08] But every - [18:9]
[18:08] C- that's a problem with the with the text then. [18:11]
[18:12] # [18:13]
[18:12] Hmm. [18:13]
[18:17] you could - for example, if your buttons are faded after - I mean if you make a durable remote (??) you can just buy a new cover. Uh I'm not sure it's it's hard to make. So it's a good and a bad idea. [18:27]
[18:21] Mm. [18:21]
[18:24] Okay. [18:24]
[18:25] # Uh but I know that the buttons are like a Nokia telephone on uh one sleeve, so you don't have to change your whole cover. Uh we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve. Know what I mean? It works the same as a Nokia telephone, it's it's in my uh - 'kay. [18:40]
[18:31] Mm-hmm. [18:32]
[18:36] (Okay.) [18:37]
[18:37] Oh yeah, I know what you mean. [18:38]
[18:39] Yeah, I know, it's just just a one one piece of (programme) for example, okay. Yeah, that's what I - something I have to look into. Either either change both the buttons and and the cover or just the cover, I'm not sure which which is easier, so. Um anyway, yeah, this is what we're gonna do aftewards, just lunch break and have more individual work after that, so let's see what we - let's see (??) [19:3]
[18:40] Yeah. [18:41]
[18:42] Exactly. [18:42]
[18:42] Yeah. [18:42]
[18:50] Hmm. [18:50]
[18:51] # [18:52]
[19:04] So you have to come up with a components concept, yeah. I want some - you should (do some) trendwatching, because even if we're if we're gonna do those covers and everything, what people really want, that's what we need to know in this phase, because that's gonna be the essential final design that we're gonna come up with. [19:20]
[19:10] Yeah. [19:11]
[19:15] Yeah. [19:15]
[19:20] Okay. [19:21]
[19:22] # Um [19:23]
[19:24] yeah, I think user interface is fairly obvious. I mean it should be very intuitive, s- yeah, it should speak for itself. Uh for example I bought a remote control last week (within) a T_V_, it was it l- it's like all buttons and you have no idea what it does at first, and I'm (??) (total T_V_ new), anyway. So I think it should be - have less or l- very little buttons and maybe a second # second level menu for the advanced things. Or maybe just stick 'em under a menu, like you said the um # the sound options and the surround and whatever, they're more complicated, just stick 'em under one menu and uh give it a - just put it in in s- in a software piece, you can menu and you can uh select everything you want to to set on your T_V_. [20:4]
[19:27] Pretty straightforward. [19:28]
[19:37] # [19:37]
[20:02] Mm. [20:2]
[20:04] Is it techni- technically possible to uh # send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu, because we're working with different types of television, so we're going to work with that? [20:17]
[20:09] % [20:9]
[20:10] (Yeah.) [20:11]
[20:16] That is true. [20:17]
[20:18] I don't think so. [20:18]
[20:19] No, that's true. [20:20]
[20:20] No, I don't think so. Because the television needs to respond to the signal, and if it doesn't know how, it's - exatly, that's not possible. [20:27]
[20:23] Yeah, that's true. [20:24]
[20:23] It's an in-build menu, isn't it? Yes. [20:25]
[20:27] So basically we - [20:28]
[20:28] I'm not sure if it's impossible, but uh there's a chance it's not, so. [20:33]
[20:33] Or we could use a double-sided - for # less used functions you - [20:37]
[20:37] A double-sided remote control? I don't think that's useful. [20:40]
[20:38] Yeah, with the cover. # I- it's basically an idea to overcome these issues, because - [20:45]
[20:44] Yeah, but then you're gonna have a lot of wasted buttons. For example you have a Sony T_V_ and the half of the buttons won't function if you have a - for a Sony that won't - for a Philips T_V_. [20:52]
[20:49] Hmm. [20:50]
[20:51] No, but basic functions - but functions which are not frequently used. Because if we use a universal remote control, we're going to have to have most buttons on it, so. [21:3]
[20:51] Yeah. [20:52]
[20:54] I don't think we should - yeah, for example. [20:57]
[21:03] Mm yeah. [21:4]
[21:03] I'm not s- yeah, for ex- you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want a unversal remote control that - it should do what people usually do with their T_V_s, not not the very complicated settings that you can usually do that with uh either a old old remote control if they really hate that thing, but [21:20]
[21:13] Mm. [21:14]
[21:15] Mm. [21:15]
[21:21] But that might be broken. [21:22]
[21:21] you can't you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of T_V_s. I think there's I think there is a standard for example between uh - because usually the the menu is - the menu button is is usable between different brands. Especially the big ones, the big brands, so. 'Cause everybody - I have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button, so I think - I'm not sure, you can put some research into that, if it's possible. Uh I think just a b- and the navigation is very basic, it's usually the same thing. [21:55]
[21:25] (??) [21:26]
[21:28] Hmm. [21:28]
[21:37] Hmm. [21:37]
[21:40] Hmm. [21:41]
[21:46] Hmm. [21:46]
[21:49] Mm okay. # [21:50]
[21:53] Mm. But I think there must be a way uh to invoke the more complicated functions of a television. For instance, if your old remote control is broken and you buy ours, then uh you should be able to get everything out of the television that's in it. Because otherwise you'll lose functions by buying our - [22:10]
[22:04] Yeah. [22:4]
[22:07] Yeah, that's true. I think so uh we need to put some research into that if if we can open the menu, I think it's possible, just the way how to. Yeah, then then you could do everything I suppose, because usually the T_V_s have tha- that inside in this other little piece of software, so it's okay. [22:24]
[22:07] Yeah. Yeah. [22:9]
[22:07] Yeah. [22:8]
[22:13] Okay, I thi- I think so too. [22:16]
[22:15] Yeah, yeah. [22:16]
[22:24] And I think that our r- remote control should not look like uh any other. For instance uh Sony makes all their remote controls exactly the same for all their devices, and you always grab the wrong one because formatting of the buttons is exactly the same, only the labels are different. We should not do that. [22:39]
[22:32] Mm-hmm. [22:32]
[22:36] Yeah. [22:37]
[22:38] I think it should be a little distinct from everything else, because it's - either it's both (??) mayb- maybe the shape can be a little different. Maybe it's a little more curves or whatever. [22:46]
[22:40] Exactly. [22:41]
[22:40] Yeah. [22:41]
[22:42] Yeah, I have some ideas. [22:43]
[22:44] I have some ideas. [22:45]
[22:44] Um - yeah. [22:46]
[22:45] Mm that's your uh division. $ [22:47]
[22:47] And uh with different colours (uh). [22:49]
[22:47] So um. [22:48]
[22:49] I'll put some on paper and present them next time uh the ideas that I have. [22:53]
[22:52] Yeah, this (??). Not sure what - because we have forty minutes, I'm not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway, so. [22:59]
[22:54] Okay. [22:54]
[22:58] I heard a beep go. [23:0]
[23:00] Yeah, but it wasn't me, it was him closing something. So anyway, yeah, we could do some i- do some work now on on the design for example. I mean what do you want, do you want (another trend-like thing), but - [23:11]
[23:01] Yeah. [23:2]
[23:10] Yeah, but we like some some curves or - [23:12]
[23:12] Yeah, may- maybe something like this. [23:14]
[23:15] (But though) smooth insie. [23:17]
[23:20] So you have the transmitter here for example. Let's see that you - what would be handy. I think that the # the buttons should be - the channel buttons should be # uh on their own. (I see) one, two - God damn it. [23:33]
[23:22] Yeah. [23:22]
[23:24] Uh. [23:25]
[23:28] And a light uh - [23:29]
[23:34] Oh, we get the general ideas, yes. [23:36]
[23:36] Yeah, okay. # [23:37]
[23:39] Another one here. Let's see what - I think this should - this is always on top of the of the control, so that should be here. [23:45]
[23:43] Hmm. [23:44]
[23:46] Yeah, and since you're holding it like this, I suggest you put the channel up channel down and volume (I I) - [23:52]
[23:48] Things like this. [23:50]
[23:49] Volume. [23:50]
[23:51] Withi- within the - yeah, just take it. [23:52]
[23:54] So you have the up channel [23:56]
[23:57] # the down channel - the volume, do we want that horizontal or vertical? [24:1]
[24:00] Do you take triangles or - [24:2]
[24:02] Uh it's it's fine, I think. [24:4]
[24:03] Um I think it should be I think it # - maybe we should make 'em bigger or whatever. (Yeah.) [24:13]
[24:05] This is basically what people are accustomed to, so. [24:8]
[24:07] Yeah. [24:7]
[24:11] Yeah, but this is just a g- general idea. Uh maybe the menu button can go i- in the middle. [24:17]
[24:11] (??) [24:12]
[24:13] (??) [24:14]
[24:15] Yeah, in the middle. It's it's usually uh there, but - [24:18]
[24:19] Whoa. [24:20]
[24:20] Mm. [24:20]
[24:21] Perhaps we should also make uh something like a flash on it, if you - if it's lost, for people that are deaf. They they won't hear the the beep. [24:28]
[24:28] Yeah. [24:28]
[24:29] Yeah, but for example if it's lost in your armchair, we'll not see the flash. [24:33]
[24:32] You won't be able to find it. [24:33]
[24:32] Yeah. [24:32]
[24:33] And flash takes up a lot of batteries again. [24:35]
[24:34] Uh. [24:34]
[24:36] Yeah, it's true, but it's it's only has to do so when you press the button that it's lost. [24:40]
[24:39] Just - [24:39]
[24:40] Yeah. [24:40]
[24:40] It could make a combination that it goes beep and that you - that some light lights up. [24:45]
[24:40] So. [24:41]
[24:43] And L_E_D_ uh on it. [24:46]
[24:44] (How do we) (??) deaf people? [24:45]
[24:45] Yeah, I thought about for deaf people for example, so. We could do that. Uh let's see. [24:51]
[24:50] Just a light on it or - [24:51]
[24:52] So we have the basic channels we've got here, uh the power button [24:55]
[24:56] Oh yeah, it's true. [24:57]
[24:56] somewhere over here - [24:57]
[24:58] Um that thing should be central. You shouldn't be - you uh shouldn't press it by accident, but it shouldn't be stacked away somewhere. [25:6]
[25:00] Very important. [25:1]
[25:05] Oh, that's - [25:6]
[25:05] I usually [25:6]
[25:08] It's - [25:9]
[25:08] press it on top. At least that's what I'm accustomed to. [25:11]
[25:09] Yeah. [25:10]
[25:13] # I have another idea, I'm not sure if it's possible. [25:17]
[25:14] Yeah, like that's gonna work. $ [25:17]
[25:15] And - [25:15]
[25:18] What would you like to (??)? [25:19]
[25:19] Yeah, I thought maybe we should move the buttons down and put it here for example to - [25:24]
[25:20] (But you r-) [25:20]
[25:21] And you are reading from the t- you always read from the top to the the bottom of it. Yeah, so it's - [25:29]
[25:26] From top to bottom. Yeah, that's true, you should - I think the bu- the power button should be on top, 'cause it's the first thing you do (#), turn it on. So power button on top. Um - [25:37]
[25:28] Mm. [25:28]
[25:30] Yeah. [25:31]
[25:36] Okay, mute button. Is that somewhere here? Is that used often? The mute button? Do people use that often? 'Cause uh I'm pretty much accustomed to it # right over here, at least in general, but [25:52]
[25:39] Mute. Do we hardly - I think it should be at the bottom somewhere. [25:42]
[25:41] So i- it's - sorry? [25:43]
[25:43] Mute. Turn the sound off. [25:45]
[25:45] No, it's - no. [25:47]
[25:48] # [25:48]
[25:49] Uh. [25:50]
[25:51] Hmm. [25:51]
[25:53] # I don't think it's important (??) but I think it I think it should be - you c- you could put it somewhere here. [25:58]
[25:54] it's not that important, no. [25:56]
[25:57] Or or with the volume selection. # [26:0]
[26:01] No, because it - yeah, people are accustomed to that, it's - [26:3]
[26:01] # Around uh not uh not at top at the - around the volume selection. I don't know where exactly, but - [26:9]
[26:05] % [26:5]
[26:06] (Can I have that?) That's j- [26:8]
[26:09] Take this out and here see - [26:12]
[26:14] Uh are we gonna take triangles anyway? I'm drawing triangles, but - [26:18]
[26:18] $ [26:19]
[26:18] That's pretty much what people are accustomed to, aren't they? [26:21]
[26:20] Yeah, it's maybe a bigger lesser than thing. So anyway, I think this is - should be [26:27]
[26:28] the channels and - or sh- [26:32]
[26:31] Wha- [26:31]
[26:31] Well, I'm accustomed to the channels being on top. [26:34]
[26:32] No. Yeah. [26:33]
[26:33] # Here, okay. Okay, should we chan- okay, (we got this two), channel [26:38]
[26:33] Yeah, me too. [26:34]
[26:34] Yeah, that's better. On the right. [26:36]
[26:41] up and down. [26:42]
[26:41] Shall we uh also look if it's possible to make a rechargeable remote? That you don't have to buy new batteries if every - [26:48]
[26:46] Yeah. [26:47]
[26:46] Well, for - that is it's on one part it's um it's a good thing to recharge it - [26:52]
[26:50] Maybe it's more ex- expensive. [26:52]
[26:51] Mm, yeah. [26:52]
[26:53] Maybe we should - what what could be possible is one with rechargeable batteries for example. You have - just put Penlite batteries that are rechargeable, because it's an- it's it's it's very annoying - I'm not sure y- # I'm not sure it's - if it's expensive, but just take a look at it, because it might be a very good idea, because if - it's it's useful to have it rechargeable, but at the same time, if you don't want recha- if you forgot to recharge it and you wanna watch T_V_ now, you wanna be able to put different batteries in it, use it now and not in half an hour. [27:24]
[26:55] Uh. [26:55]
[27:00] But that's already possible. [27:1]
[27:00] But isn't that expensive in the entire package? [27:3]
[27:02] Yeah. [27:2]
[27:12] (??) [27:12]
[27:14] Yes. [27:14]
[27:20] Yes. [27:20]
[27:24] Okay. Uh you could make a device, but I'm not sure how that uh is possible with the costs, that you can put in normal batteries, rechargeable, but it - you're - the remote also can act as a recharger. So then you can choose, you have every decision. Know what I mean? [27:38]
[27:29] How about - [27:30]
[27:31] I think I have a nice idea. [27:32]
[27:39] Not exactly uh. [27:40]
[27:40] You can uh put in normal Penlites, rechargeable Penlites, but they can also be recharged with the remote, with a wire. [27:46]
[27:43] Hmm. [27:43]
[27:45] Yeah yeah. [27:46]
[27:46] I think it's uh it's a pretty good idea to have uh like sort of a - maybe a base station that you put on the T_V_. Could be flat, you could insert your uh remote into it. [27:55]
[27:47] So - but - [27:49]
[27:48] Yeah, that's (good). [27:50]
[27:55] But I think that will cost a lot. Uh a normal wire would be better. Like a like a P_D_A_, a handheld. You can uh just put it in the electricity and it charges itself, you don't need basic station. [28:6]
[27:57] I'm not sure. (??) [27:59]
[28:04] Well, we were talking about the fact that we wanted to insert either a beep or a flash into the thing with a little separate signal or - so you could put that on a T_V_ for example. It could be very flat, could be very small. It's a very small - yeah, I'm drawing it big now, but - so you could put your remote on flat for example. [28:23]
[28:09] Yes. [28:9]
[28:11] That is possible, that's true. [28:14]
[28:15] But - [28:15]
[28:17] Which - [28:17]
[28:21] Mm. [28:21]
[28:24] Yeah. [28:24]
[28:24] And the backside of remote just just just a little hole [28:27]
[28:27] Yeah. [28:28]
[28:28] for example (um you just #) put it down, it recharges for example. I don't think it's very expensive. [28:32]
[28:30] Yeah. [28:30]
[28:31] But again, isn't that too expensive? 'Cause that means that we have to implement rechargeable batteries, a docking station - [28:40]
[28:32] Yeah. [28:33]
[28:35] # [28:35]
[28:35] I'm not sure if it costs a lot, that that's what he r- [28:38]
[28:37] Mm. [28:37]
[28:39] That's that you - that's what you buy yourself. [28:41]
[28:41] Yes. I'm going to try to find that out. I'm not sure if there's information available on this, but - [28:45]
[28:44] It's just an idea, we have to find out if it's possible. [28:46]
[28:44] But - [28:44]
[28:45] And do people actually want that? To pay extra - they want to pay for rechargeable? [28:51]
[28:47] Yeah, they want to pay for it. [28:48]
[28:48] Do they want - but they want a rechargeable one? [28:50]
[28:49] Yeah. [28:50]
[28:51] I'm not sure, you should find out if it's - if rechargeable is important. [28:53]
[28:52] Th- uh there was not (a el- ask esque-) % [28:56]
[28:55] Hmm. These are uh comfort issues. So I think people will pay - they wanted to pay for comfort. Well, this is comfort. [29:2]
[28:55] Yeah. [28:56]
[28:57] But - [28:58]
[29:01] They want to pay for comfort, we just assu- we we could either make a separate station which just sends a signal to the remote control to either beep or flash to find it, um and - [29:13]
[29:04] But f- hmm. [29:6]
[29:09] Yes. [29:10]
[29:16] Yeah, we have to - either that or make it integrated with uh with a docking station. [29:20]
[29:17] Hmm. [29:17]
[29:19] Yeah. Exactly. I think this is a brilliant product. I would buy it myself. [29:24]
[29:23] # (I) think it would be good actually. I like the beep part $ anyway. So um let's go through the - [29:30]
[29:26] (I f-) [29:27]
[29:27] Uh. [29:27]
[29:28] $ [29:29]
[29:29] I like the covers. That's a brilliant idea. I never thought - [29:32]
[29:31] $ [29:31]
[29:31] Can can we save this or - [29:33]
[29:32] Covers is covers is good. Yeah, it's - oh okay, so (yeah, that's up and saved. We would save the ant.) [29:38]
[29:39] $ [29:39]
[29:39] (And we think so.) Um [29:41]
[29:41] $ [29:42]
[29:43] # okay. [29:44]
[29:45] So what we have is - you have - I think you have $ to do a lot of work on if it's possible for the cost. [29:50]
[29:50] I hope if I have information about that, I'm gonna - [29:53]
[29:51] Maybe - yeah, or # maybe you can find out i- what people are willing to pay. We are going for twenty five Euros sales price, but just try to find out what they're willing to pay for it, because if they're willing to pay more, we could lose a little profit and maybe attract more customers, uh we just have to see what it looks like. [30:7]
[29:53] Yeah. [29:54]
[29:56] (For a second.) [29:57]
[29:57] Yeah, okay. [29:58]
[30:00] Yeah yeah yeah. [30:1]
[30:04] Mm. # Yeah. [30:5]
[30:06] Yeah. [30:6]
[30:07] I would like to make a decision (model), what it costs and what kind of materials that we can uh choose what we want in it and - exactly, I need it. [30:16]
[30:13] % Yeah, if you have some financial information that that'd be nice, so. Hmm. # [30:20]
[30:20] Could you post some # other essentials of what people want, so that I can work with some buttons, where to put it - [30:26]
[30:27] Yeah. [30:27]
[30:28] [humming] [30:28]
[30:28] You seem to have information on that, I'd like to uh [30:30]
[30:31] see some of it. [30:33]
[30:33] Was it not possible to uh send emails around the office? [30:36]
[30:36] No, it wasn't wasn't allo- it was possible, not allowed, so. [30:38]
[30:36] No, it's not - well. [30:37]
[30:36] Not (??) - [30:38]
[30:39] So that's um why I'm not sure that $ you're allowed to share documents on the on the (draft). [30:43]
[30:40] Yeah. [30:40]
[30:41] My computer crashed, so uh [30:44]
[30:43] Yeah, okay. [30:44]
[30:44] I don't care. I haven't heard any complaints yet, so. Um - [30:49]
[30:45] I lost my uh presentation, but [30:48]
[30:45] Oh, you (concluded) - okay. [30:47]
[30:49] I have the uh # - [30:51]
[30:50] Well, I have your PowerPoint presentation, I can get some inf- information out of that. [30:55]
[30:53] Yeah, but I [30:54]
[30:55] Here I have the the s- the homepage of uh our [30:58]
[30:56] (Let's see.) [30:56]
[30:59] Yeah, the- oh, they inc- uh they include the new one. # Or just for you. [31:3]
[30:59] internet, and here is my [31:1]
[31:02] Oh, where would we - [31:4]
[31:03] here is my marketing report, maybe you ca- you can look at uh # that and - [31:8]
[31:05] # Oh no, I didn't have that. [31:6]
[31:10] Where would we want the uh teletext button, because we decided that it's n- not that important. Do we put it somewhere over here? [31:18]
[31:12] Ah yeah. And one - [31:14]
[31:14] (All it tells) (??) just - let's make make a new - tick the new one. [31:18]
[31:19] # Um other side. Yeah, let's increase it a little because - [31:23]
[31:23] And uh wha- what people want, [31:25]
[31:24] Or maybe this is something for the next meeting, I can draw (at) some ideas. [31:29]
[31:26] I've uh [31:27]
[31:28] Yeah, draw up some some designs of of possible - just keep in mind that the important button should be on top and (??) the more - less important - [31:36]
[31:30] I have another thing uh - [31:31]
[31:33] Yeah. [31:33]
[31:34] Well, we have decided # more or less the basic structure. I can put the other buttons in - [31:39]
[31:37] More or less. [31:38]
[31:39] Just play a little with this, put l- shift a litte up or down and we'll see what looks best. [31:43]
[31:41] Yeah. [31:42]
[31:43] What uh what did you wanna say? [31:44]
[31:44] Or just po- post your designs from time to time on the (public share). [31:48]
[31:44] Yeah. Um - [31:46]
[31:47] Uh. [31:47]
[31:48] # Uh what I al- already said is the the uh the remote controls are always lost, but it it's also for people, # they want to learn it fast, not uh - they want to - [32:0]
[31:50] Maybe another idea uh. [31:52]
[31:58] Mm. Mm. [31:59]
[31:59] Yeah, so we don't want (??) we want very little buttons, just the buttons you use a lot. [32:3]
[32:01] No- [32:1]
[32:02] Mm. [32:3]
[32:03] It's - yeah, it's easy to learn wi- and uh - [32:6]
[32:05] Yes, but it should cover all the functions, so possibly, just an idea that popped in - [32:10]
[32:07] Well what - we had (function that) what people do, so. People change channels, people # - they change the volume and they they change channel, they turn T_V_ off and on, for example. That's the basic fu- that's what you do - I'm not sure who present that again, but those are the basic function that people use it for, so those should be very well represented. [32:25]
[32:08] Um - [32:9]
[32:25] Yeah, but we could go a step further, because some T_V_s have the uh possibility to adjust brightness, that kind of menus. [32:33]
[32:25] And - [32:25]
[32:29] The - [32:29]
[32:31] If - [32:32]
[32:33] That's true, but that's what we stick under the menu button. Everything is - you say in every T_V_ that's configured under the menu. [32:38]
[32:35] Yes, but it - [32:36]
[32:38] But that's the question, is it? Because it needs to be configured in the television under the menu. If it isn't, then we cannot reach it. [32:44]
[32:38] Because we're making - [32:39]
[32:39] Um - [32:39]
[32:42] Yeah, but [32:43]
[32:44] We need to adjust to the technology. [32:47]
[32:45] but I think most modern T_V_s have it in their menu. [32:48]
[32:46] I think so too. I think so too. Uh isn't there a possibility to do research on that, so we know that for sure? [32:52]
[32:48] True. [32:48]
[32:53] If you rule out functions, then uh - and that gets known, then people are not gonna buy it. Then the consumer bond or something says uh you cannot do this and that with it. That's a bad bad com- # commercial for $ - okay. [33:7]
[32:53] (??) [32:54]
[32:58] # No, (I thi-) [32:59]
[33:02] If um - [33:3]
[33:05] Uh we'll we'll see what we can come up with. [33:7]
[33:07] Another thing I want to say is that uh we are looking at the market for the age uh # younger than forty. Um on my report, # I didn't uh # ish- I didn't show it in my uh presentation, because my computer crashed*. Um they want to pay for an L_C_D_ screen and speech recognition. [33:29]
[33:13] Under forty. Yeah. [33:15]
[33:15] That's true. [33:15]
[33:21] Mm-hmm. [33:21]
[33:22] Yeah (yeah). [33:23]
[33:27] Hmm. [33:27]
[33:29] Hmm. [33:29]
[33:30] The want to pay for - oh. [33:31]
[33:30] So [33:31]
[33:31] # Did they really said it like that? Those two things. Do they realise how much that costs? $ That's almost undoable. [33:37]
[33:32] i- yeah. Yeah, and - [33:35]
[33:35] (Uh shall we?) [33:36]
[33:36] Yeah. [33:37]
[33:37] Oh, we're not going to be able to sell it for twenty-five then, with an L_C_D_ screen. [33:42]
[33:37] Younger, age sixteen and forty five. [33:40]
[33:38] # Uh but - [33:40]
[33:41] That's all here, here it says # [33:43]
[33:42] # No, that's that's (okay). Even if i- if we have this lost unit, then we cannot do it for that price. [33:48]
[33:44] yeah, age sixteen forty fi- interest in (mean) features more critical. Okay, so we're not focussing on this. [33:50]
[33:45] If if they - [33:46]
[33:51] Um [33:52]
[33:54] All the interest in features, not really the L_C_- oh (here). Would you pay for uh speech recognition (in your) remote control. Hmm, okay. [34:2]
[34:04] # (Yeah, that's true.) [34:5]
[34:05] So uh [34:6]
[34:06] # [34:7]
[34:08] we can [34:8]
[34:08] Speech recognition is quite - [34:11]
[34:10] We can look at the possibilites for an uh L_C_D_ and uh - I dunno. Yeah. [34:15]
[34:13] Mm. [34:13]
[34:14] Yeah, just look at the possibilities then, because if - apparently it's what people want, it's supposed to be a luxurious remote, maybe it's not even that expensive. Or find a compromise, maybe just a black and white or - for some extra information on (it -) on your programmes. [34:27]
[34:16] Hmm. [34:16]
[34:17] How much it will cost and - [34:19]
[34:18] Uh. [34:19]
[34:23] Uh I - [34:24]
[34:24] Um - [34:25]
[34:25] Well I doubt it, but - [34:26]
[34:26] But I really need finance information. [34:28]
[34:28] Me too. $ (I mean) we all do. $ Right. I think it's something we should (put) into consideration. Apparently it's what people want, so. We should see if - what it costs, if it's possible. [34:38]
[34:29] $ (It will come uh -) [34:32]
[34:29] We all do. $ [34:31]
[34:36] Mm. [34:36]
[34:38] Uh. [34:38]
[34:38] Yeah. [34:39]
[34:40] Yeah. [34:40]
[34:44] Yeah, we should do a little thing about design, because it looks boring really to me. Even if you put it - even if you put a different cover on it, it looks - still looks boring, so. [34:53]
[34:49] $ [34:49]
[34:51] Different colours maybe. [34:53]
[34:52] Hmm. And the design, it should differ. This is Philips, huh? Philips has this. [34:58]
[34:54] But all - [34:56]
[34:57] I have no clu. I just drew something what - which would fit into your hand easily. [35:2]
[34:58] Well, I had (basically) - [34:59]
[35:00] Okay. [35:0]
[35:01] Hmm. [35:2]
[35:03] Uh. [35:3]
[35:03] Something like this. To make it kind of futuristic. [35:7]
[35:08] Mm. Oh, I realise if we make it small, then it needs to be a little thicker, because I need to put all the electronica in it. If we make it s- uh smaller, uh less wide, then we need to m- make it a little thicker, because I have to put all the electronics in it. [35:23]
[35:12] I think it's a very - [35:13]
[35:15] Sorry? [35:16]
[35:19] Yeah? [35:19]
[35:21] Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but you have to j- just keep in mind it shouldn't be too heavy. I mean we can stick it in in there, I think. Huh even if - in the worst case we can even - could you give me the pen back? [35:34]
[35:24] Okay. [35:25]
[35:28] No. [35:29]
[35:30] So what kind of - [35:31]
[35:34] Yeah, sure. [35:34]
[35:35] So let's say that people would want an L_C_D_ thing. Let's take take the basic design again, what we - oh, crap - uh came up with. I'll just make it a little bigger now. [35:47]
[35:52] So a transmitter here. Anyway. [35:54]
[35:56] We could - let's say we have an L_C_D_ screen, people want an L_C_D_ screen. So then we should probably put it here. [36:3]
[36:03] # [36:3]
[36:04] It doesn't have to be really big, but just just have to be - has to be there. (Things to get place people they don't -) [36:10]
[36:06] Hmm. [36:7]
[36:10] If you're reading from top to bottom, I think it's better to put it uh at the top. It's j- # [36:16]
[36:14] No? It's not that uh - it's not the most important function, it's just an extra thing, it just - you press the buttons on top, because your finger is on top. [36:21]
[36:15] Me too. [36:16]
[36:17] (??) [36:19]
[36:18] # Uh. But i- if you if you are going to uh put the L_C_D_ on it, # I think it's very important to use it, uh because it's # - use it uh [36:29]
[36:29] How can you use an L_C_D_ screen? [36:31]
[36:31] But (^nee^) the function of it. # So you can use it maximum, because uh it's a lot - it costs a lot. [36:39]
[36:40] So - [36:41]
[36:40] Yeah, but why I - I'm not sure. [36:42]
[36:41] Now it's pretty much tucked away in your hand. [36:43]
[36:44] (Uh if you t-) if you press a button, you can see it, ri- I'm not sure wha- I'm trying to imagine myself what it would look like. [36:49]
[36:44] Hmm. [36:44]
[36:48] No. M- I personally would prefer it on the top. [36:52]
[36:50] I'm - [36:51]
[36:53] You would prefer (not)? Okay. So we have three people saying it should be on top. [36:56]
[36:53] (I know.) [36:54]
[36:54] Huh. [36:54]
[36:58] But it - [36:59]
[36:58] Okay, but then you would would s- have to stack away your buttons somewhere else. Anyways. [37:3]
[37:02] Hmm. [37:2]
[37:02] It's expensive to build it, so [37:5]
[37:04] Mm. [37:5]
[37:05] Uh this looks (??). [37:6]
[37:06] you must use the maximum* of it. [37:8]
[37:06] I'm still not convinced of the - [37:8]
[37:08] About the L_C_D_s thing. Well if it if it's if it's possible wi- if it's not too expensive, we should include it, because it's it's cool. $ [37:15]
[37:09] Yeah. [37:10]
[37:10] Hmm. [37:10]
[37:12] They want it uh. [37:12]
[37:13] # We should just try to make that if it's possible. If it is possible we should really do it, but we need that information. [37:21]
[37:21] Huh. [37:21]
[37:22] Uh. But uh - [37:23]
[37:22] Also keep in mind again, the L_C_D_ screen is very flat, but it needs transistors, resistors, I don't know what more and that needs space. [37:30]
[37:31] So I have to look if that's possible. [37:32]
[37:34] Yeah, I know uh. [37:35]
[37:34] But if we - [37:35]
[37:35] So basically (??) what we have to decide now is uh what goes on top. Do we put the volume control and the channel control here, or do we put it on he- would we like to press it in the middle? [37:49]
[37:36] # Uh (I agree) now uh - [37:38]
[37:47] In middle of it. [37:48]
[37:47] Or maybe we should m- we could uh draw draw something a bit - that has it on on on the bottom. Maybe in a circle for example, like we - like in this example. I think this is not good, but (for ex-) we could make circular buttons for example. [37:58]
[37:49] In the middle. [37:49]
[37:58] Hmm. [37:59]
[37:59] Yes, but we do agree that we # keep this at the centre, because it's basically the most important function. [38:7]
[37:59] For up and down, ma- make it a circle on it, because it - [38:2]
[38:02] # [38:3]
[38:04] Yeah. [38:4]
[38:05] I think the channel button should be in the centre. Channel button should be st- stick together, for example here in this section. Because it's uh - [38:12]
[38:06] It's the most import- yeah. [38:8]
[38:12] Well, that would make them quite small. So maybe you'd put them here. [38:17]
[38:15] We're not sure about the size anyway, just a general design. You can make it as big as you want. For example if you take uh - [38:21]
[38:19] Yes, but a big remote control probably not, something which people would like. [38:24]
[38:23] Hmm. [38:23]
[38:23] No, let's see. For example just - [38:27]
[38:26] If we have a a space issue, we can also lose one battery. It is rechargeable, so we can stick with one instead of two. That might be an option. [38:35]
[38:33] Yeah. I don't think if we if we even use an L_C_D_ screen, we need to, definitely. [38:38]
[38:33] [Dutch?] [38:35]
[38:38] Yeah, but if we need two batteries and an L_C_D_ screen, that means a lot of space that we need. But it has to be a little bit heavier. [38:45]
[38:43] Yeah, but we have to see what the si- what the size is. The L_C_D_ doesn't have to nee- doesn't need to be very big. [38:49]
[38:47] Okay. [38:47]
[38:48] (What's my uh -) [38:49]
[38:49] No, but the things behind it. (??) [38:53]
[38:54] Mm let's see. [38:55]
[38:55] Like a process uh. [38:56]
[38:55] Finish meeting now. It's on your computer. [38:59]
[38:58] Finish meeting now. Okay, we will. So either - [39:0]
[38:59] So would we like this or would we like the - [39:2]
[39:02] We have uh we have to decide (what) what people want. Either this one, this this could be the luxurious one. [39:7]
[39:03] I like this one more. [39:5]
[39:08] So we have channel buttons here. I'm just drawing something uh. Uh - [39:14]
[39:17] I think this would this would look cool. You could have it for example - [39:20]
[39:24] small buttons here for some extra functions, so if your basic function's here, we should - like we decided before, programmes up and down, [39:31]
[39:24] Uh. [39:25]
[39:35] Mm. [39:35]
[39:35] and volume here. [39:36]
[39:35] Or - [39:35]
[39:35] (??) [39:37]
[39:36] And uh what about speech recognition uh - [39:38]
[39:39] # Well you can just - no, I'm not sure if we can do that, but we could put a microphone in here for example. [39:43]
[39:40] Yeah, yeah, but - or or an L_C_D_ or an uh speech. I think it's - L_C_D_ is better now. [39:47]
[39:45] Mm. [39:45]
[39:46] Just to do research into both, w- what it costs and what it takes for space. But let's cut the meeting for now uh s- [39:53]
[39:48] Yeah. [39:49]
[39:50] I'll try to. [39:50]
[39:50] Yeah. [39:50]
[39:52] One more uh thing I'd like to say, uh let's give this uh a name, and not like some (vague*) serial number that no one understands, like with (??). Shall we all try uh to think about a name? [40:3]
[40:00] Okay. [40:1]
[40:01] Yeah, okay, yeah, that's $ - yeah, that's okay. [40:4]
[40:03] So I think (??) [40:4]
[40:04] Yeah, let's think of a name, okay. [40:5]
[40:08] Uh okay. [40:11]
[40:11] (Oh, good.) [40:12]
[40:13] Okay, at- anyways, the the minutes will be on the on the web shortly, so there we go uh. [40:19]
[40:19] Yes, go and finish up and I'll see you at lunch. [40:22]
[40:21] # [40:22]
[40:23] Yeah. [40:24]
[40:29] Good luck. [40:30]
[40:30] Yeah, to all. [40:31]
[40:31] Same. [40:31]
[40:31] Yeah. [40:32]
[40:36] [speaks Dutch] [40:38]
[40:38] Yeah, I've - do we uh save the ([Dutch])? [40:40]
[40:39] Uh questionnaire (??) [40:40]
[40:51] [Dutch] [40:52]
[40:56] (??) [40:56]