00:01	But we could make a much prettier uh -
00:04	D- uh design on on the board if we had just
00:05	Hey.
00:08	simple uh a be- a better better drawing capabilities. (??)
00:11	Well just just paper $ would have been better.
00:13	Yeah or a or a or a a green board with a chalk.
00:16	Ooh.
00:17	Hey guys. (??) work a bit on it? Or not.
00:19	Hi.
00:22	Well we had a bit uh bit of problem but that's it.
00:26	Oh no. $
00:29	Well thank you.
00:32	We should applaud.
00:34	We expect you to applaud.
00:35	#
00:37	Hard (pressed).
00:38	Hello there.
00:39	$
00:43	So. #
00:45	You got a tan from holiday.
00:47	They put some uh -
00:49	You uh you got a tan you uh became brown on your holiday. Yeah. (Yeah) you don't say uh you became brown uh $ in English I guess so, well (does not matter). Speak.
00:50	Oh.
00:58	Well.
00:58	$
01:01	# They put some uh stress uh onto us in those uh small uh # -
01:05	I'll I'm just relaxing. You're going to stress out now, so I'm m- going to -
01:09	#
01:12	Make the (??) comfortable.
01:12	(??) to me to do a - we have to do a do some extra (design ??) you'll see you'll see. Uh fourth meeting.
01:22	We have to do what?
01:23	Some extra deciding.
01:24	$ W- what? Alri- alright, we'll see.
01:26	$ Well -
01:27	Oh.
01:30	(??) I'll show you the notes again. Very interesting. We'll you'll you two will uh present us your prototype.
01:33	#
01:38	Yep.
01:38	Then um I guess that's your bit? I I didn't s- see anything about it so $ I already uh thought you uh you were (??) so (??) I'll show you how we're going to do with financing this uh design.
01:46	#
01:54	Mm.
01:56	(??) that's important too, yeah. $
01:57	# Bit late. #
01:57	And then we'll evaluate after after we have redesigned it, because uh well we'll see about the costs. Um we'll uh evaluate our our production
02:09	and then uh we can close.
02:12	Alright.
02:12	Well the finance uh we'll do later so um firstly uh I'll show you the notes $ and I think it's very interesting. #
02:23	I think it is.
02:25	Oh ^nei^ uh no. $
02:30	Alright.
02:37	This is copy paste. So -
02:39	For me of course, yeah. Well from us all yeah, from all of us, yeah. $ It's a nice chorus, yeah.
02:40	Of course, you had some very strange layout. $ Well um
02:49	#
02:50	We ge- we went through the agenda and well we had some uh some presentations from you three and uh I summarised what you said to us. So uh I don't think it's very interesting (??) go (through) it again, so uh -
02:50	$
03:02	Repeated (yep), alright.
03:05	This is what we decided, it's also copy paste from what we made together, so we still know that and then uh we can we can uh use the time better.
03:15	Well uh next you two will uh present uh the pot- prototype for us.
03:19	Alright, we both uh will, or one of us will? Uh -
03:21	Yeah.
03:22	# (??)
03:25	No you go and I'll uh -
03:26	Alright. If I make mistakes uh you'll uh -
03:27	supplement you.
03:29	#
03:30	Correct. $
03:31	Right uh well this is our design. Uh it's pretty uh much uh like uh (??) drew uh the in the during the last meeting, with uh the different uh perspectives of it uh we'll begin uh with the front.
03:45	We have of course uh the the round shape uh the round uh basic shape um with uh the upper part being the front the so there's (this) part um # which is made of hard plastic, the front
03:58	and uh we're we're using different colours of course for the launch we use the basic ugly colours and later we'll put out uh more interesting covers with different patterns* and pictures and everything. But basically different colours, bright colours not black, too dark. Fancy colours.
04:04	$ Yeah.
04:07	Mm-hmm.
04:15	# Um then we have uh the lower part %
04:20	of the of the device, uh which is of course um part of the back actually because it's also titanium.
04:27	You can see it also on the on the on the side view that only this part is the front and the rest of it the under uh the under side uh of it yeah the back side and the lower part of the front is of course titanium made of titanium and has the titanium colour of course (??).
04:46	Um then we have uh on back on the front uh the logo in the upper corner, uh which is uh made uh which is also part of the back, part of the titanium uh titanium part, yeah.
04:46	Mm.
04:57	Yeah, it's a double R_ (??).
05:00	It's a double R_.
05:02	It's a double R_ yeah the logo uh uh it's difficult to draw so small but it's (??) double R_ logo is in there. Um so that's the logo in the upper left uh right corner.
05:02	But # it's very difficult to to draw that in - yeah.
05:03	Yeah, alright.
05:07	Okay.
05:08	Yeah.
05:13	Then we have the buttons uh it's difficult to draw again the little oval or round I think oval will be better for the for the d- for the different uh channel buttons.
05:19	Oval yeah.
05:22	Alright.
05:26	So (??) uh oval, n- those are here, and then we have the
05:30	the m-
05:31	Channel up and volume?
05:32	yeah the the c- the the the yeah the t- volume and the channel controls uh in the middle here um um with kind of arrow shapes which makes it also a bit more exciting than basic round or um uh
05:49	# uh square buttons. And also here are the two uh buttons we agreed on, we have the okay button oh ^nei^ we (??) the okay button's here in the middle of the of the (operators) of the channel and uh volume uh changers, and then we've here the menu button and the
05:58	Yeah.
05:58	Mm-hmm.
06:06	Alright.
06:06	Menu for the L_C_D_ screen.
06:07	and the video button, the yep. And of course this (low) part this is the (L_C_) screen.
06:09	So -
06:09	#
06:14	'Kay.
06:14	Uh this is what we made of it, you can make uh suggestions uh if you want.
06:17	Well if I look at it the side* the side view
06:18	Well, at the back (??) -
06:20	Maybe we maybe should finish first uh our talk and then you can add suggestions maybe I I don't want to $ I don't want to suppress you but n- I'll uh finish this uh quick. Um okay* I've had everything I guess on the front, yeah the back, yeah.
06:22	Yeah.
06:22	Oh yeah alright, yeah (??).
06:29	(??).
06:32	No the back. With the logo and our uh l- uh -
06:35	# We thought about yeah uh the back is of course totally titanium # and we thought about the logo big in the middle, (??) so again the double R_. We have then the logo on front and on the back. Maybe that's too much but you have to say uh say that if you think that way.
06:43	Mm-hmm.
06:48	Okay.
06:49	(??)
06:52	And the -
06:52	And the company slogan we thought in a kind of arc shape uh above the logo, that's basically what we were thinking about, and -
06:56	Yeah.
07:02	Okay.
07:03	And (about) the side view um -
07:03	W-
07:04	#
07:06	#
07:07	This the front won't be as thick, but again th- the the drawing technique makes it very difficult to to really uh -
07:10	Well I see, but -
07:14	Oh and uh before I forget, yeah the the voice of course the voice recording is uh at the bottom, and you can record it uh using yeah the the the back of the f- w- device*.
07:15	Well, yeah I see it.
07:19	Yes.
07:22	When I look uh when I look at this side* view I think w- when I have that in my head it's terrible. If if you look if if (??) this is thick and this is thin that it that it lies over your hands, but -
07:23	Well, it won't be visible.
07:25	Mm?
07:30	Why?
07:34	# Well it fits uh it it it it fits the hand, (??) mean uh the the the the -
07:37	Yeah.
07:39	Well what what what I what I agree is that when uh when um you have such of uh an arc in the middle so that the the a- the ends and the
07:49	fronts is a bit thicker so the then it falls over your hands.
07:51	(??) If y-
07:53	If you handle a remote you you usually don't have your hand straight like this, you you have it a bit uh yeah.
07:57	In the middle in the -
08:06	Yeah.
08:06	And how large is it?
08:09	That's the question. Uh well yeah, what do you suggest (??) this was (??)'s prototype and y- you seemed to agreed* on it, but now you have a totally (different ??).
08:10	$
08:10	$
08:12	#
08:15	Well uh -
08:19	Well the (sides) I haven't seen yet uh (??).
08:21	Well, they (lay) there all the time.
08:22	The size. Yeah well the size doesn't really matter w- I mean - side? Uh oh the side w- we we he drew the s- the side but you d- you weren't paying attention as usual. Well any case we'll discuss it now. Uh I think uh this is a pretty good uh good idea (??).
08:23	They the the the the the side view we didn't uh -
08:28	Yeah.
08:31	$
08:31	$
08:47	Yeah.
08:49	But you you hold it like this, you're not holding it like this or something.
08:49	#
08:51	Yeah you you don't you don't grab it, you y- #
08:54	You yeah you how to you call it yeah well (g- y- ??) you don't have it like this you have it more like this. (??) you're using buttons this way or if you're right handed, this way.
08:56	$
08:59	No no no.
09:05	Yep.
09:05	Yeah.
09:06	So you yeah so -
09:10	Hmm.
09:11	That way it it falls into your hand. I think.
09:11	Yeah well -
09:14	Okay.
09:16	And maybe you can you can grab it a bit higher so, well -
09:18	$
09:20	No but but -
09:21	Well (the the well) that's a reason to to to put the L_C_D_ screen uh of course on the upper side, but -
09:24	#
09:26	Well f- for as far as I can see, three of us agree and (??) -
09:32	Yeah well uh I think uh if you t- if you three uh agree (??) then that's it.
09:36	But you're the Project Manager, you can make the hard decisions. $
09:38	If necessary, but uh are we can you live with that uh?
09:38	Yes so uh I c- I c- well, we'll we we'll do it like this, alright if you think (that's) the way it should uh be -
09:42	Yeah?
09:43	Y- (??) you said it was totally uh unuseable, but do you
09:47	No, no when I I my personal taste is that I want it to fall over my hands with a thick but -
09:49	#
09:54	But d- you don't think this is completely unuseable I guess, I think.
09:56	In the (market uh) -
09:58	No not totally. $ For me I I wouldn't buy it, let's say it like that.
09:59	Not totally, well -
10:02	Yeah but of course y- you are also (??) we have to take uh # every everyone into account so.
10:05	No (??).
10:11	Yeah, (??) who who else thinks like you, we don't know, maybe a thousand people, or a million people.
10:12	Yes but -
10:12	Mm.
10:14	Yeah, we don't know but that's uh that's that's that's more market research, so # let it be like this at uh at this moment, okay?
10:19	# Let it be. Alright. So that's that, uh any other suggestions?
10:20	$
10:23	#
10:24	No, I think it's great.
10:27	But what about the redesigning?
10:29	# Comes to that later. Um you uh c- you can uh $ (??) you can do the evaluation uh criteria on this.
10:31	Okay. $
10:33	$
10:33	$ You're very personal again.
10:40	#
10:41	That's more useful
10:42	#
10:43	than just (??) speaking.
10:45	$
10:54	Yes.
11:01	$
11:03	#
11:09	Mm-hmm.
11:29	'Kay.
11:29	Hmm.
11:51	Well d- we designed it so of course we are very -
11:53	Mm.
11:54	Yeah we're we're not quite uh objective about this.
11:56	Yeah.
11:56	Well we designed it to be good looking.
12:04	So and we ha- we have answer now, yeah, (??).
12:05	To the customers, to potential customers who have to take this questionnaire.
12:09	^Nei^ oh no I know I know I know, well um well # we can go uh because of the time uh pretty quick through this uh do we find it good-looking well we think so. Uh -
12:10	Hmm.
12:19	Yeah. We designed it to be good looking, so -
12:20	I yeah I think it -
12:21	Yeah.
12:25	$
12:34	Well, one.
12:36	(??).
12:40	[exhale]
12:40	Well so it's point four.
12:42	Well l- well let's start with the beginning, just one by one. #
12:42	Easy to find t-
12:46	Well, I guess uh I think uh $ it's uh it's it's um pointed towards the youth of course uh if you look at the design and and the colours and everything, (??) that was our target audience of course, but it's also not completely um
12:49	Two.
13:01	uh u- unacceptable for (older) people I guess uh it's it's not f- uh device that -
13:09	Yeah that's that's uh for (other) people it's it's more that classical* look, so -
13:15	Hmm.
13:16	Uh no # (I) think yeah they like black of course but I think they'll uh they they think uh the the titanium look of it is also, uh I think it's also good for (??) I think we both uh have uh consider considered uh the youth and also a bit older people so, I think it's very good looking and not only for youth uh young people.
13:36	I think we shouldn't discuss any points* points that long because I don't know how how many points there are but uh yeah.
13:41	No. I totally agree, we we have to get get on, go (through) this.
13:42	Yeah, the (??) yeah.
13:46	Yeah.
13:46	Is it easy to t- change channels, yeah well I think so.
13:52	Um, no it's a -
13:53	No, not false.
13:55	It's one.
13:57	$
14:00	Well uh two? (Well) we have to go (??).
14:03	# I think it's uh as easy as uh can be made uh.
14:07	So I # yeah, you - how can you make it any easier? #
14:11	# But two huge buttons.
14:14	Yeah, (??) is a yeah.
14:14	Yep.
14:16	Two.
14:23	Well, no, we didn't implement anything about that.
14:24	D- we d- we don't we don't have uh that s-
14:26	(??).
14:26	(Well) it's easier to find than a a normal black one or something because of the colour, but -
14:30	$ Well six then. $
14:32	Yeah.
14:32	$ #
14:34	Well we don't have the device that beeps uh when you've lost (it ??).
14:36	Are the functions easy to learn? Well (w- ?? we do want we have a l-)
14:39	(None.)
14:41	We have so few functions so yeah -
14:41	f- (less of an) -
14:44	And the device R_S_I_ sensitive.
14:47	(Well*) I should I think two, because # the voice (recorder) isn't not self learning.
14:48	Yeah.
14:51	Ah.
14:55	Yeah, yeah.
14:56	(??).
14:58	Mm?
14:59	Yeah, but just do (??) $ we we -
15:04	# I f- I f- I think this is too time consuming and not not towards you, but towards (this) all (??).
15:04	Are we take too much time?
15:10	$
15:11	We you have to put it (to) the customers.
15:15	Uh well well a bit so four.
15:20	Yes.
15:21	Yeah, very much - one.
15:21	$
15:22	One, (??) is included also one.
15:25	And $ one uh (those uh nine is the) fancy looking, uh we still think so.
15:27	#
15:32	Yeah.
15:34	Device fancy feeling. Yeah, cool man.
15:34	And (??) because of the titanium back, yeah.
15:36	Yeah.
15:38	Are there enough technology, yeah well also we have two -
15:39	Yeah.
15:43	The -
15:43	Is the device easy to use, yes we have # not many buttons.
15:47	So uh maybe two because of the voice recorder.
15:48	Two # two.
15:48	Two, three.
15:50	T-
15:51	F-
15:51	Are the trends about fruit and vegetables implemented, well in our covers, in our fronts, so yes, one. Is the material attractive?
15:54	Yeah.
15:55	Yeah. One or two, yeah.
15:57	One or two another two.
16:00	Four?
16:02	Well, it doesn't really resemble any fruit uh that's true, but but we have the the the the the sparkly fruity colours of course, and you can also have (??) front with uh with fruit on it. $
16:04	$
16:06	Okay. Okay.
16:06	Well three.
16:12	Is the material attractive, well the titanium is strong and uh the rest f- fu- the buttons feel soft, so I would say at least two.
16:12	Mm yeah.
16:18	#
16:21	Okay.
16:23	$
16:23	$
16:24	$ Well, yeah.
16:26	This is the last meeting? Yeah.
16:27	Yes, but we we have to design much more because there was some irritating account manager coming to me.
16:37	# Um.
16:37	I knew things uh were going uh too smoothly.
16:40	Oh -
16:42	Uh -
16:42	There had to be some kind of trouble along the way.
16:43	Yeah f- #
16:44	Yes well, look at the costs at this point.
16:49	#
16:50	My god.
16:51	I had to fit it in.
16:54	I- twelve and a half.
16:56	So -
16:58	Well what costs a lot? The sample speaker costs four.
17:02	The what? The -
17:03	The sample speaker, the sensor.
17:06	Kick it out, we have to go to twelve and a half. The speaker costs fair by far the most.
17:07	The what?
17:10	Oh.
17:12	Yeah w- tha- that's uh that's a bit an optional option.
17:15	It it isn't worth it.
17:17	No, no th- th- no.
17:18	We could make two different versions, one with and one without, but for this -
17:24	So, zero.
17:25	$
17:28	Yep.
17:28	Then we go to fourteen point six.
17:31	Well the titanium I don't want to lose actually.
17:33	No.
17:34	L_C_ three, yeah hand dynamo* y- t- come on, w- a remote control has a battery.
17:38	Um -
17:39	N-
17:40	Uh well we have a bit of a problem I think. Because uh -
17:43	Well well why why why should we use an advanced chip?
17:47	Well before* the L_C_D_ ha- you had said.
17:47	(??) the L_C_D_ screen, yep.
17:50	# Can't we do that with a regular chip?
17:52	No.
17:53	Why not?
17:54	Because uh that uh y- $ because my information says it.
17:57	Well what what's the difference between simple and regular?
18:00	Huh?
18:00	What's the difference between a simple and a regular chip?
18:01	# Regular is normal.
18:04	(And) simple.
18:05	Uh well yeah I I read something about it but -
18:05	Simple.
18:06	(??) nothing.
18:07	$ Elementary.
18:10	#
18:11	# Yeah I I read something about it wasn't very clear, I d- I didn't include it in my report.
18:11	Well (??).
18:13	Your part.
18:18	What i- happens if we do -
18:18	# Single -
18:21	Well you have to use
18:24	a chip so -
18:26	Well you have to use the advanced chip if you have the L_C_D_ screen.
18:26	How (??) do we win? One.
18:27	We we we (why) we have very little options, (furthermore) for the -
18:29	(??)
18:33	Yeah.
18:33	But if you have a regular chip you can't have the L_C_D_ screen.
18:35	Uh well we have to put that in.
18:38	That that's a (fact uh).
18:38	Well, we could say well this special colour, that isn't that that isn't there, because the the fronts they will buy it, the special colour.
18:47	Yeah but it's only one half uh it d- it doesn't -
18:47	Nah.
18:50	Yeah, then you s- then you only have one half left.
18:50	Yeah, you must change the chip uh back.
18:53	You must change the chip back, yes?
18:55	Uh yeah.
18:56	But we d- then we have to lose the L_C_D_ screen.
19:02	Yeah I know but that's what my information said. I di- I didn't uh put uh the advanced chip in there for fun, you have to use it.
19:08	Hmm. # No # we oh # -
19:13	$
19:15	You you we have an advanced chip on print and we have an L_C_ display, I think that's a bit double. Y- we don't need both.
19:15	Yeah.
19:15	#
19:19	Yeah.
19:21	No, the advanced chip is needed to have an L_C_D_ display.
19:24	For the L_C_D_ screen yeah, yeah.
19:26	Says (??).
19:27	Says, his, uh that was in the second meeting, I think.
19:29	Well uh and what do they mean with curves uh again, because we you have uncurved # -
19:33	Well I I did single curve to well you said s- double curved uh he because uh I thought it's a b- a bit cheaper already, we can also make it flat.
19:36	I - (??).
19:38	Yeah.
19:42	Well -
19:43	But what what did what do n- sorry (??) $ what do they mean with the curves, (i- th- uh) is this a curve? One curve. Yeah, this is actually two curves, yeah, it's how you it's how you look at it.
19:43	But -
19:47	Curved? Yes, that's curved.
19:49	Yes.
19:51	No, it's one curve.
19:51	# One curve. $
19:53	One curve, simple.
19:54	Well then we have a huge problem I think, (w- t-) we can never get uh below the twelve and a half.
19:58	We have a big financial problem.
20:00	Well we make it more expensive to buy.
20:03	Well, then we have two dollars less profit. Come on, if we if we if we make this fifty million they won't (test uh ??) to uh congratulate us so $
20:07	$
20:09	$
20:18	But uh I -
20:30	Yeah or we could replace (it) -
20:33	By the way, we also have this one.
20:39	Oh, costs nothing. That's nice. $ Plastic is - #
20:42	$ Hey but uh I think you'll agree that uh that we that now we have this uh screen it's it's very uh not practical to ha- to consider this after we have designed the entire thing.
20:55	Yes, but I just got it.
20:56	$ Well that's pretty uh l-
20:57	Why
20:58	why don't we replace the titanium with uh
21:00	N- not very practical, well.
21:02	plastic coloured titanium uh titanium coloured plastic?
21:06	Who?
21:11	You want to (dump) the titanium?
21:14	Yeah well if we uh we we have to get cheaper.
21:17	And make all plastic then we ha- then we are there.
21:21	# But I'm n- I don't agree, I think -
21:24	But then we we've got to uh run through* the eval- evaluation process again.
21:25	Th- then you have a ugly stupid l- ugly looking dumb remote that that no-one would buy.
21:32	Well no no.
21:34	It's not ugly looking, the looks remain the same.
21:36	No, I don't think so.
21:37	No, I do think so.
21:37	I think the titanium just uh provided the the tough look and the and the
21:41	Yes. And the feel, and that that it is strong, and -
21:41	(??)
21:44	and also the older people will like it because of that, and because i- alright it's not our target audience but it's it's useful if it's uh (important) for old people. Yeah.
21:50	We still # we had to focus to get more people from the younger group but lose the one -
21:55	# I think the titanium is very important.
21:58	Yeah alright but then we we won't get a -
22:00	Yeah we have a problem, yeah. W- but you can better yeah dump the L_C_D_ screen then.
22:04	We can dump the special colour (we l-) we use plastic, and plastic is already in colour I think.
22:13	Well what else w- I mean uh -
22:13	No, nothing.
22:15	(Amen).
22:21	Yeah.
22:25	Yeah.
22:30	$ Yeah, well yeah, alright, I agree with that. So we u- we use uh -
22:31	Yeah.
22:33	Why can't I -
22:34	But -
22:38	Unfortunately. Um.
22:40	I'll put in the report we that we think that fourteen point one is the l- m- lowest price you can make a remote for that's trendy d- these days.
22:41	Titanium coloured plastic.
22:43	[loud exhale]
22:49	So titanium coloured plastic for the back.
22:52	I I'll talk to the mangagers. $
22:54	No no no no. w- titanium stays there.
22:57	Titanium I thi- I think this this is this is e- really good re- remote. $
23:01	Yeah this is good but it it's not good enough. $
23:01	$
23:04	So we have to use the - ditch the titanium I'm afraid.
23:07	Ah those i- those account managers what do th- d- what do they know, come on, (riot). $
23:08	Well -
23:11	$
23:13	What do w- well what do we know? All we want is a is a fancy design but we don't really consider the costs, so -
23:18	Yes, yes.
23:19	No because we did not know anything about it.
23:21	Yeah alright, yeah, but we have to deal with it now, so -
23:21	One and a half Euros, hmm?
23:30	So -
23:30	So?
23:32	Titanium gone and add plastic.
23:35	Yeah but then we've got money left.
23:37	And on plastic times two and then we uh are there?
23:39	Well, no it's just uh all plastic. $ (Well alright uh).
23:41	No -
23:42	$ No yeah well oh six. $ A lot of plastic, yeah. $ No two to for the to make it clear.
23:45	S- ^??^. $
23:49	$ Four, so.
23:53	But then we can add the special colour.
23:55	Yeah.
23:56	(As) we have money over, uh left. $
23:59	Yeah. Mm.
23:59	And we still have money left. What do we want guys?
24:02	I want gold plating. No no um - #
24:04	$
24:05	Well I think uh the case is double curved then.
24:08	Yes.
24:10	Because you y- have that curve and you have that curve.
24:11	$ We have we have to uh fill -
24:13	Y- oh no. $ Alright.
24:14	Yeah well uh -
24:14	W- we ha- # no (??) but th- that's not f- um -
24:18	Safe.
24:18	#
24:20	Well y- we have curves in all directions.
24:21	Well you can you can double curve if you don't have titanium and that we dropped so it it can be done. $ But it's pretty funny, we we do want to reach
24:26	So - alright.
24:31	twelve point five (??) it isn't bad to to to stay at eleven.
24:32	Finance.
24:32	I mean, this this ain't titanium but it looks like it.
24:36	We get more salary if we make if cheaper than twelve uh twelve and a half.
24:37	Well, guys, guys we have to dump our titanium, and we'll hate the managers for that but now we're going to evaluate our project* of uh project # project well. # Satisfaction on for example are we satisfactory about our creativity.
24:38	$
24:44	Objection.
24:44	$
24:47	Pro- project. $
24:57	Well I can't get no satisfaction but uh I think it's uh well in in if we consider the costs then this is the best, yeah.
24:59	$
25:00	$
25:03	#
25:06	I think it's terrible that we got a those costs at the last moment. That's really bad. But that that that's that yeah that's (a reason) but also for our creativity we had um nice design, and then you get the cost and you had to dump all your creativity.
25:06	Mm.
25:09	Yeah.
25:10	(??) ridiculus actually but -
25:12	And uh unrealistic.
25:20	Well we we we used our creativitiy but we just had to adapt it to the cost.
25:24	$
25:24	$ Which isn't very practical, but # that's the way. Uh-huh. $
25:26	# $ ^Nei^ uh no. $
25:26	Yeah.
25:28	Well, alright.
25:30	Uh leadership next uh teamwork. $
25:31	# Terrible. $
25:35	Leadership. Well.
25:38	Yeah. Yeah.
25:38	I yeah well, # I think so (also) I al- I I've uh filled that in in a the questionnaires* uh each time so $ well the managers were terrible.
25:43	$
25:47	$
25:48	So, with their (??)
25:51	useless requirements, but o- alright, the teamwork -
25:53	Well uh they they didn't think of the requirements, it's the requirements of the user I guess.
25:54	#
25:58	No they said oh we won't d- uh we won't uh use teletext uh we won't use the D_V_D_.
26:01	Yeah.
26:03	Yeah but they base that on on the user specifications.
26:04	#
26:05	[yawn]
26:05	$
26:07	Alright, teamwork, well great I think.
26:10	Right yeah. #
26:12	Uh well what d- (??) what did you think about the smartboard?
26:14	$
26:15	It was uh complete disaster $ n- (??) -
26:17	Well -
26:17	No, that's a smartboard and that's a digital pen, or not -
26:20	It's also a- it's both a smartboard.
26:21	No it's other way around. That's the smartboard, that's the digital panel.
26:23	I liked this smartboard, but I hated that one. Well it's both a smartboard.
26:27	That's that's the smart-
26:30	Oh they're both smartboards. $
26:31	(??)
26:32	$ (??) Yeah.
26:33	$
26:33	It's both a smartboard, but this one is used for a desktop and that one is used to to draw.
26:44	No.
26:44	Well, wi- w- which one did you like?
26:45	$ Left or right? $
26:47	$ That one. $
26:47	Yeah.
26:50	Yeah.
26:51	(??) I think this is meant by the digital pen.
26:54	Yes. That that is (o-).
26:56	Well I didn't use uh -
26:57	#
26:57	We're now talking about the smartboards.
27:02	^Nei^ it it's much m- #
27:02	(??) well we used that one (??) we (need it). I think.
27:08	Yeah, alright but -
27:09	Or install uh laptop to a beamer or have this one standing here in an - I I like it.
27:15	Yeah I like that one but that one is terrible.
27:16	Okay, alright.
27:17	But uh you can uh I I sent it about three times now, uh (??) a green uh board with a chalk is much more useful than that thing.
27:24	Yeah. Yeah, it is.
27:26	The simple uh sch- school board.
27:26	S-
27:28	And uh the digi- the digital pen uh did you like that one?
27:31	I I didn't use it I wrote things down but I didn't import it into my laptop.
27:34	I used it uh just to check it out but uh # -
27:37	$ That's the (??).
27:38	You you can send that to anyone because you you've scrabbled* something on a page for yourself and then (??) going to send it - well, no.
27:39	(No.)
27:44	W- (??) but also y- you write things down and i- you can also bring your your your note blocks so what's the what's the (th-) the point of importing it into -
27:51	It's no it it's useless.
27:53	Well I I drew this (??) mm and I made a mistake but it it would have been uh useful if I I could show this on the screen.
28:00	Yes.
28:00	# Yeah alright, for drawings, but not for personal notes, I think that's not very -
28:02	For drawings, yes.
28:03	Yeah for drawings.
28:05	(??) notes mm.
28:08	Uh (??) bring your paperwork along and p- will of course - if you have a lot of paper- if you've if you've - #
28:11	But -
28:14	Mm.
28:14	But for notes it i- you you have to put (that) in a strict uh you have to put a name, (standard) date and all those things and notes uh for a meeting are very strict. So if you uh (were to) write them down for yourself, and then put (that) in your computer, you still have to type it over to words, so it doesn't d- doesn't have any - $
28:30	$
28:30	$
28:32	# $
28:34	Yeah I understand but I think uh d- this option is only useful if you've got a lot of paperwork (??) you can't it's not very uh n- yeah well a lot of documents are uh -
28:46	Yeah.
28:47	But then uh it's really useful I think.
28:50	Yep, oh right. Um, etcetera well uh the laptops.
28:51	Mu- yeah right.
28:55	Yeah mm.
28:55	Of course great.
28:56	Can we keep 'em? #
28:58	Yeah. You can b- by my. $
28:58	$
29:00	Thanks Project Manager. $
29:01	$ Yeah. Other uh things we used here, I hated the cameras, I hated the microphones. $
29:07	$
29:08	(Oh) did you really uh -
29:10	Did you really take uh take those in account? (??) half of time I didn't notice they were there (??).
29:13	No. No. I haven't looked w- one time directly at the camera. (??) I don't care about it.
29:18	# But we shouldn't talk about that, because # this is a realistic environment.
29:19	Well I did.
29:22	Well w- why not? Uh (??) we $ n- new ideas found. What kind of ideas for a n- future schedule (??) $ for future um meetings # you have got.
29:25	(??) right, okay. #
29:27	$
29:31	$
29:33	#
29:35	Well I missed uh the option to uh
29:37	#
29:39	to email yeah. Email or chat or something.
29:40	# But yeah (but well) th- that's just the the environment they set us up f- with, so -
29:40	Chatting and emailing.
29:45	Yeah alright but that's one n- new idea. #
29:48	Well, new ideas found (by this).
29:52	#
29:56	Not. Nothing. We don't want this, we hate this.
30:00	Yeah.
30:01	$
30:02	Digital pen is useless so, yeah for drawings.
30:04	No it isn't.
30:05	Well, for drawing for drawings, yeah.
30:06	# Yeah.
30:08	So it isn't useless.
30:09	But uh (two t-) but uh th- then you have to have a lot of drawings because if I had a company and I'm going to uh buy those expensive huge expensive uh things I and I have to w-
30:13	Well -
30:13	Mm.
30:16	#
30:21	pay those uh papers uh that are expensive, I'm not going to uh -
30:25	No -
30:28	Yeah.
30:28	# Well th- then still they they they should have a a nice graphics programme on the laptop, because this is (a) huge uh this v- very very uh expensive paper.
30:29	But it's still an expensive uh expensive -
30:38	Well you you can't you can't draw on a laptop like you like you paint of or draw with your hand.
30:45	With the mouse (??) no (??).
30:45	But if w- yeah.
30:47	Yeah.
30:48	Well and if -
30:51	(No) indeed.
30:52	And but what if uh maybe this this board uh smartboard is malfunctioning or (someone), what - suppose it was working correctly wa- would it be useful then, if it wasn't off all the time? # A-
31:04	(??) no, I (hated) to draw like that you you can't draw anything uh neat.
31:07	Really?
31:13	Anything you want a- (??) yeah, li- li-
31:15	I- if it if it would be perfect following.
31:18	Yeah.
31:18	#
31:19	(??) th- th- then still it's it's it's very expensive uh towards a a just a green (?? schoolboard).
31:20	Well yeah it isn't but maybe that thing is uh is # -
31:27	Yeah, board, yeah a school board yeah.
31:28	Yeah but but then you can uh save it in instantly and and and re-use it and uh -
31:31	Yeah. B- it has - it is useful uh yeah.
31:32	Yep.
31:34	Yeah yeah.
31:35	#
31:35	This uh if it works (??) maybe this thing this thing is just malfunctioning so uh if we get in uh get another one and you make sure it does work, I think then it's pretty useful
31:39	$
31:43	Yep.
31:46	Yeah.
31:47	because uh yeah you can draw t- things quickly and uh clearly for anyone uh in the discussion room, and then you can save it immediately.
31:48	#
31:56	Well, they are now.
31:59	Hmm.
32:01	It is. So, congratulations crew. $ Ce- #
32:04	Did you type that?
32:04	Hmm.
32:06	Celebration. $
32:09	(Now) we can go to the bar and uh with our $ newly earned money. $
32:11	$ Finally my beer. $ Well, that's it I think. Um I don't know how long we still have I dunno how long uh we had for this last meeting, but uh -
32:11	$
32:16	# (??).
32:22	Maybe till four o'clock or something? Well (I dunno, well).
32:25	Well yeah, it is a bit uh well we still have to make the end report and uh all those things (??) I have to do that.
32:31	(??).
32:32	I di- did you um save this one in the folder, can you do that?
32:34	Oh.
32:37	No no.
32:38	# No we must save this thing yeah. In the shared (?? map).
32:43	But (??) you've got some work left. $
32:46	I don't know what you have to do.
32:47	Map is it a good word, the folder, yeah.
32:50	$
32:52	I have to go to a (??). $
32:53	Yeah.
32:56	Oh it worked two times quick. $ Cool. $
32:57	Wow. $
33:00	So it is useful, yeah. (??)
33:00	Yeah. $ It is (ending).
33:02	$ This is nice.
33:03	$ (??) # $
33:04	Radical. $ Yeah.
33:07	Uh -
33:09	D- design.
33:13	Do you believe it yourself?
33:14	S- oh, (??) well alright. Um.
33:14	Mm.
33:18	$
33:18	Well they they (wanted) everything that we produced so - $
33:20	Yeah.
33:20	They also want to see my cat and his rabbit, and uh
33:22	$ My big bird. $
33:23	Well.
33:25	your big beautiful bird.
33:30	$
33:33	Where is this (??).
33:36	$ Maybe the pen is just uh uh broken and the board isn't, of or the other way around b-
33:41	#
33:46	#
33:46	Yeah I think so too.
33:49	I think (you) have - we have to make clear to her that we are ready. $
33:53	$ I also think so. $ She already knows. She? Big brother.
33:55	$ Who is she you're talking about? Oh you mean our coach, our f- personal coach.
33:55	$ #
34:03	Our manager.
34:07	Is she also our accountant?
34:09	$ Yeah. $ I don't think so.
34:09	Is she (??) responsible for sending that information so late? Oh.
34:14	Close your laptop.
34:14	Because then we have to confront her with our -
34:17	So she can see we're ready.
34:19	$
34:20	$ Alright.
34:23	#
34:24	Yeah. (??) Let's take this remote into uh production.
34:24	#
34:25	We put the fashion in electronics, but we couldn't because of the costs. $ That that's the title of our uh end document. $ We couldn't put the fashion into the electronics. $ Yeah, that's a nice title. $
34:26	#
34:29	$ Yeah, that that's our new slogan. $ Yeah, I like that. #
34:32	$
34:36	$
34:36	# Blame our accountants.
34:40	#
34:42	$ But we couldn't, yeah. $
34:45	# $
34:48	Oh.
34:48	Well I th- yeah.
34:51	$ Well -
34:51	$
34:52	She's on the move.
34:53	I'm going to resign after this project anyway, so - $
34:58	$ #
34:59	$
35:00	#

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