00:01	^??.^
00:04	Let's observe the room for the report.
00:08	Hello guys.
00:09	Hi.
00:13	The pen of the board uh is calibrated again, so it should work fine.
00:17	Great.
00:20	That's a - yeah?
00:20	%
00:23	Yeah.
00:23	It does*.
00:26	(??).
00:27	So # I've started uh working on the the end uh report. #
00:37	Okay uh, door is closed. $ Well, let's begin, because if we have as much time as the last uh meeting we'll have to hurry up. Um, well I'll start with the presentation again, the agenda.
00:39	#
00:43	I'm listening.
00:46	Right.
00:46	#
00:48	#
00:51	Great.
00:53	#
00:57	(??)
01:02	So. $ This one I think. $ Uh, yeah. Well alright.
01:08	$
01:13	Um well I'll show you the notes. It's not as uh interesting as it should be because (it was just uh) at the meeting but I'll show them. We'll get your presentations again on the conceptual design um
01:18	$
01:27	then we'll have to dis- decide about the control, the remote control concepts. I've put a f- uh a file in the project management folder which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take, so # this time we exactly know what to decide about. And then we'll close again.
01:31	Mm.
01:39	#
01:42	$ Alright, great.
01:46	Alright.
01:47	Uh -
01:49	Well this are some examples but we'll talk about them later, we'll # first look at your uh presenations, alright?
01:53	Mm-hmm.
01:56	(??) will uh start again this time?
01:58	Yeah, great.
02:00	(??).
02:00	Alright, trend watch.
02:03	'Kay.
02:12	Yeah.
02:13	$
02:18	Right.
02:21	I will speak about uh latest trends* trends latest fashion updates and uh things we must not do. Uh the trends. # It's very important that uh the control is a fancy looking and good uh feeling.
02:36	Uh this because of our last model was very functional but # it uh people didn't like that so our new mo- model must be very good looking that's uh something you uh have to take a look at, and uh the feeling has to be very great, also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great.
02:50	Mm-hmm, alright.
02:58	Alright.
02:58	Um there's a minus uh two times here because this is the most important point, this is uh two times as less important and uh same for this one. # Um, technological* technological innovations that's uh regarded very highly.
03:06	$
03:06	$
03:15	Two, $ uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen, uh speech uh acknowledgement as we uh talked about earlier, so we have to have uh something like that like we uh -
03:23	Well, yeah.
03:27	L_C_D_ and (our uh) our fronts.
03:31	Right. # Uh the last point is easy to use. Well I think that uh speaks for s- for itself. I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that. Yeah.
03:40	Easy to use? I think that's (??).
03:41	Well, easy to use uh is a bit uh contradictonary* with the first uh functional is not an issue, and then easy to use well we have to choose one of them. $
03:44	High (??).
03:48	Yeah, I know.
03:52	I think we have to go to the first one, it's the most important one, so if (??) uh we have to uh take that one.
03:53	Yeah. $
03:54	Mm.
03:58	Okay.
03:59	So it it uh it isn't very important that # that it works easy. $ But # it has to look great.
04:05	Well something fancy looking can be easy to use.
04:08	Yeah, we'll we'll look at uh -
04:11	We'll see.
04:11	You yeah - yeah yeah you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway so ease of use # it's not a very comp- complicated device.
04:17	Yeah, right.
04:20	Most important thing is that it looks great and people say (from) wow, that's real great uh great concept. Alright. Uh this are the new colours of this year, so it must be very bright, very colourful, people like this.
04:26	Alright.
04:26	'Kay.
04:30	$
04:31	$
04:33	#
04:34	$
04:34	$
04:35	So we we have to think uh in this direction. So i- set your mind to it. Findings. Fashion update. Fruit and vegetables are cool. I am told. $
04:39	So.
04:40	$
04:41	Well.
04:47	$
04:48	#
04:49	$
04:50	(??).
04:50	The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables, so $ we we we might cons- consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way, uh furthermore uh material (??) should be very strong. I was thinking of something like uh # well uh iron plate over it maybe in a colour or something that looks so- f- really flashy but it it is also strong. And that's also for the younger public.
04:53	$
04:55	$
05:01	Yeah.
05:02	Bananas.
05:16	(Alright).
05:20	Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e- ev- every year. Th- this year it's fruits but next year it's it's something totally different.
05:27	Yeah, that's great, but I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something uh really thin, so it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily.
05:28	Yeah.
05:32	Yeah.
05:38	Mm.
05:38	Yep, alright.
05:39	Well, the don'ts. Older people like dark colours and simple shapes. Well we don't want uh older people, we want young people, so uh we're gonna turn that around. We're gonna have real uh cool shapes and lots of colours. Right? Okay.
05:47	#
05:47	$ Alright.
05:49	$
05:50	#
05:50	Alright.
05:56	Wood is popular, (aha).
05:57	We don't want wood.
05:58	$ Yeah.
05:59	Yeah, among the old people, yeah.
06:00	Old people. So, that's it for me.
06:03	Alright. Nice, uh well (??) show us.
06:17	Right, I am going to tell you something about uh components design.
06:24	Uh again I have uh put up the specification* property this uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device and the materials um I have heard several things so I uh I'll have to change that on the way
06:39	but uh the case uh I suggested uh in the previous meeting hard plastic but uh as you indicated uh it should be strong, it should feel strong so maybe plastic is not uh sufficient we should move to uh something -
06:45	Yeah, we should change that.
06:51	Maybe it it it is but it doesn't look strong, so maybe -
06:55	Well yeah y- hard plastic i- is of course uh pretty pretty tough but it doesn't have a really really tough look, so -
07:01	No no no.
07:02	But we still have to look at our price of course, because uh if we want an L_C_D_ uh window etcetera uh -
07:04	Yeah, also yeah.
07:07	But we'll return to that. Uh the buttons of course rubber I think everyone agrees and electrical cables (??) pretty basic stuff the chips made of silicon I guess I think that's the best uh way to do it, and infrared infrared l- LED is uh just a simple bulb.
07:08	Yeah.
07:19	$
07:24	Then I've uh # had a few findings, made a few findings uh target audience product style um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior and wealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like, as you said, uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that
07:45	they also like straightforward shapes and luxurious* style. Of course that's not our uh things so this is things we must not do. And then we have young and dynamic people which is of course our group the people we aim at under forty five years old uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours.
07:53	Yes.
08:08	Soft materials is of course uh ag- again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said uh that uh it should be hard an- and and and and strong looking, but they like soft materials uh, so we might uh we have to consider that and
08:19	Yeah.
08:24	also they like curved round shapes so not uh too formal like like uh the older people want, and if uh also a finding but not very ap- applicable here that sports and gaming devices such as uh
08:39	discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices gaming devices should define the characteristics of the device, but uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device so we don't really have to consider that.
08:49	Sports uh, they're uh that uh are accessable on on your L_C_D_ uh window uh $ that's nice. $
08:52	(??) fronts.
08:54	Mm.
08:55	Mm.
08:56	$
08:58	Well I also have uh
09:00	Getting results?
09:01	Keep coming back to the fronts. $
09:02	$
09:03	#
09:03	several examples of uh styles so you can get a clear picture of what I mean.
09:08	#
09:10	Uh these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff.
09:16	#
09:16	Yeah*.
09:17	Yeah.
09:17	(??) not very uh interesting uh, very classical looking, but that's n- that's not what we have these kind of things, I don't know what exactly they are it looks like well you know uh you recognise the shapes it's very primary colours uh bright colours and a round shapes. You also uh $ see uh this device, very round and fruity of course, yeah it uh - that's true.
09:22	$
09:23	$
09:26	$
09:26	No.
09:32	$
09:36	$
09:37	Fruity. #
09:40	It's t- terrible. Alright.
09:42	And uh well round shapes primary colours, you can see it all here. And of course uh this (famous) device I think as you know something uh some devices like this. So to give you and idea of uh -
09:50	Yeah.
09:52	Well it's got a strong (look this).
09:55	This has a strong look. Although it's plastic it's it's grey to to to give it a iron look that's uh -
09:57	Yeah, it still has a strong look.
09:59	Yeah. And it's round.
10:01	Then you are losing your fruity colours.
10:03	Yeah, well we have to make a -
10:04	Well you can make th- th- th- that middle ring (??) you can make another colour, so uh those kind of things you can you can combine.
10:09	That's true.
10:10	Well we can't really make a round uh a round remote control I don't think that's very practical #. But uh it's important to to uh to think about the colour, because if we make it grey or or silvery looking it it does make it a lot more uh does make it a looking a lot more strong uh 'cause if you look at this it it doesn't look very very strong, becau- but this is plastic, and and this too but -
10:15	No, it isn't.
10:27	Yeah but the -
10:32	But it doesn't have to look strong the the results are the feel of the material is expected to be (strongy), the feel.
10:38	The feel uh f- alright. Well -
10:41	Yeah, if you -
10:42	And it it doesn't have to be strong.
10:44	Well.
10:44	Uh yeah the feel -
10:46	You you maybe you should have uh some some coloured titanium or something so it looks pretty but it feels strong.
10:46	Only the feel.
10:53	Right.
10:53	Mm-hmm.
10:53	Oh.
10:54	I agree.
10:55	And I - then I have some more findings um # uh about the energy energy source of the of the device uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery. I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course, but solar energy is not very practical inside a house uh because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun
10:57	#
11:04	#
11:12	and uh kinetic and and and dynamos* are are not very practical I think for uh for a simple remote that's a bit - oh - that's a bit uh
11:20	^??^ no titanium? $
11:22	$
11:23	$
11:23	that's a bit uh much and I also suggest uh` as a shape uh a double curved case uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium, but that's the information I received if you use the curved case, uh a curved case, double curved then you
11:41	What do you exactly mean with double curved?
11:42	can't use titanium. Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look and uh now the the shape, yeah (?? #) a curved case um (??) I think uh (sort) the triangle shaped bottom or something uh (??) a more modern look not plain (long box) style, but -
12:00	$
12:01	Double curved?
12:02	I dunno.
12:02	Mm #. I'll draw it but maybe later $ and it makes uh it gives it a more u- user friendly shape than if you have uh (??). Um anyway,
12:03	Mm.
12:03	Mean yeah, well.
12:04	$
12:05	$
12:12	um f- as uh for the buttons, simple push buttons, no uh otherwi- uh no um difficult scroll things or something or things like that, because it makes more complex and expensive.
12:12	$
12:23	and uh as we agreed, we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um # uh speak- uh speech uh controlled $ device $ because it also makes it more complex and expensive, but we do use an L_C_D_ screen so we uh we do have to consider a of we have to use a more advanced chip, which is more complex and expensive but
12:29	# Yeah alright.
12:33	#
12:45	Well.
12:45	it's worth the trouble I think because -
12:46	The buttons can be made of an uh a soft material.
12:50	Because people like that.
12:52	This sort of material thing from uh -
12:53	A rubber is a soft material I guess uh soft enough, so that's uh basic what I want uh talk about.
12:54	Yeah, right.
12:54	Yeah, right.
12:57	Alright. Okay. We will take that, and then uh Mike -
13:14	Okay.
13:20	Yeah.
13:24	Well um ^nei^ the method um we will um include the buttons as we disucssed uh earlier.
13:32	Um an L_C_D_ s- screen will be uh implemented. Um we must decide where this meeting. Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems # um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines and um well they're cheap, so we could use them now.
13:36	$
13:38	$
13:54	Oh.
13:55	That's interesting.
13:55	Um it's not really speech recognition, it's more um like you can um talk to the chip, uh record the message and record an answer, and then once you uh talk to the remote then um he will a- answer with the
14:14	the prerecorded message that you left so if I say hi Mike and you have recorded uh hi Mike back then you will get that.
14:16	Oh, yeah, I am (??), yeah.
14:21	(??)
14:23	Right.
14:23	But you can also say that when you say something it does some function*.
14:27	No it doesn't does not do anything but i- it's just a -
14:28	No.
14:28	No.
14:30	That's a bit uh -
14:30	But that that makes it cheap, it's # it's just a extra function and it's
14:32	Yeah, $.
14:32	Yes. I understand, but # it has no functionality for our remote at all.
14:36	No -
14:36	No but that's the gadget they want, or the gimmicks.
14:37	Yeah, right the young people love -
14:38	But it it's n- nice for young people, they (like get it), yeah.
14:40	Yes, we we should really uh include that one. I've -
14:41	Yeah, ple-
14:43	Right.
14:44	If it's cheap, yeah.
14:44	Hmm.
14:44	Um -
14:46	Well, as I said uh earlier I think the uh L_C_D_ screen should be uh positioned at the lower end of the remote. Um the buttons for screen (width) and general settings and (??) uh and that's kind of stuff #
14:58	$
14:59	um we can also do la- that kind of functions um w- shown in the L_C_D_ screen, uh instead of uh extra buttons. I think young people and yeah w- well every user would like that.
15:07	So you put a menu (??).
15:18	Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a well conventional remote I think, for the learnability and uh well to keep it recognisable. A voice recognition can be uh implemented
15:37	and uh I do an example but it did not work quite the well I the way I uh -
15:38	$
15:40	$
15:43	Can you draw it now of uh -
15:43	I -
15:44	Hmm? Well I have the - I can draw it again and I know what I did wrong, I didn't tick the (note bo- box) in the (??). Um -
15:44	Ah.
15:45	How -
15:50	Mm alright.
15:52	How do you uh give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen?
15:57	# Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the -
16:01	Alright, so you have a menu button, and then you can go -
16:04	Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen.
16:05	Then we should also have an a- an okay button.
16:08	Yeah alright.
16:08	Yes. # Um I shall draw this. If it uh works.
16:10	(??) yep.
16:16	Just uh there is already (??) yes, so uh.
16:19	Yeah.
16:20	Mm (??).
16:23	$
16:24	$
16:25	Nah.
16:26	^??^.
16:31	(??) you have to push hard.
16:33	$
16:34	$
16:35	$
16:45	I suggest a banana shape
16:47	$
16:48	$
16:48	because of the fruity uh fashion.
16:48	Yeah.
16:50	Yeah.
16:51	No.
16:52	$
16:52	Yellow and $ -
16:53	Here that's (out).
16:54	Yeah alright yeah. Just a hunch. $
16:57	$
17:00	Well these little buttons are a bit difficult to uh draw uh
17:04	Yeah.
17:06	Those are the the cha- the channel buttons of course?
17:07	correct.
17:08	Yeah just uh the numbers.
17:11	#
17:13	And then below is the L_C_D_ screen?
17:15	#
17:19	Why?
17:19	S- these will be bigger in the the real design.
17:22	Alright, yeah.
17:24	This must be the okay button used to uh interact with the L_C_D_ screen and with this you can uh yes go to through the menus and (that can) -
17:28	Mm-hmm.
17:30	Yeah.
17:34	Um the video button should be uh an apart button because you want it to uh yeah to use it fast within one click.
17:35	You've -
17:38	Yes.
17:42	Right.
17:45	And you you need a you need a speaker
17:45	And what's the menu button?
17:46	It's # -
17:48	for the what it?
17:48	Hmm?
17:50	This button can also be the menu button, we use in the menu ra- we we can add another button here but -
17:53	But how did - how do you get out of the menu then, yeah?
17:57	Maybe I you could j- just do an -
17:58	No by pe- pressing the menu button again, by pressing the menu button again you go uh out, it's usual the the the d- kind of the way it it works.
18:02	Yeah.
18:03	Yeah.
18:05	Yes, well but we could because when you # push menu you get in, and then you have to push okay when you get to a choice -
18:08	Yeah, yeah.
18:11	Ah right, well y- you -
18:11	Yeah, but you can men- you can press menu again to get out.
18:15	Well that's also the okay button. That's you you should have uh -
18:17	No no we we we should uh add uh extra menu button and this the okay button.
18:17	No.
18:21	Or you can put in the L_C_D_ s- uh window an option get out.
18:26	Exit.
18:27	^??^.
18:28	No once you have an extra menu button you don't need that that extra option. You have uh redundancy.
18:30	#
18:32	Well it's just a choice.
18:33	But we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech uh part. Or don't -
18:39	(??)
18:39	Yeah, if we decide to uh to implement that.
18:41	Why would you put it uh then and where is the recording uh the microphone, where would you put it?
18:47	Well it that could be anywhere, that's very small it could be uh down here.
18:52	Uh-huh.
18:53	Um. Well, not here I yeah I suggest here but that's just a little -
18:59	Alright, and a spea- speaker at the back, or something.
18:59	Microphone, yeah.
19:01	Well the speaker and the microphone I think are the same uh little hole thingy.
19:07	$ Yeah I understand. Uh but uh we could uh d- do but it's perhaps more expensive uh the speaker on the back or something.
19:08	$ Alright.
19:09	#
19:14	Well -
19:16	Um there are a- all already being implemented in in coffee machines so they won't be uh very expensive but -
19:23	Hmm?
19:25	Alright.
19:25	Alright.
19:26	Yeah, okay.
19:27	This is my suggested design. Um -
19:28	Well okay alright. Um then let's have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make.
19:35	And oh I think as you can see so the L_C_D_ screen does look better uh at the lower end, (??) bottom.
19:36	$
19:42	I I agree.
19:44	Yeah, fine $. Move on. $
19:45	$ Fine.
19:45	$
19:47	Well yeah yeah yeah.
19:49	Yeah.
19:50	Oh um I had some uh examples. You can uh -
19:51	$
19:52	I can live with it.
19:53	Yes.
19:54	$
19:54	#
19:57	I did not like it very much, but -
20:01	Well these are
20:03	Too big.
20:03	quite obvious, very ugly remote. $
20:06	Yeah.
20:07	$
20:07	They do they don't look fruity enough.
20:09	^Nei^ they're they're not -
20:10	(??)
20:10	All black.
20:12	Yeah. Well not all. $
20:16	$ Hey that* one I like. $
20:18	#
20:18	Uh this is for children but -
20:18	Tho- yeah those -
20:20	It doesn't look strong. $
20:21	No.
20:21	No.
20:22	But it doesn't uh the -
20:23	W- but with the colours i- it's a bit the way we're going.
20:24	The remote*. $
20:26	Yeah right.
20:26	Yeah, yeah.
20:27	Well this is a terrible -
20:28	Terrible.
20:29	This (??).
20:31	$ But it it must not look too childish of course uh.
20:31	It's it's all too much buttons. Too many buttons.
20:32	Um this looks -
20:35	This uh these are the L_C_D_ screens. I think we should if it's um possible, uh one with colours, but -
20:42	Nah th- it's too expensive. Yeah.
20:43	I don't know uh too expensive? Alright.
20:44	Well, that's too expensive I think.
20:47	Well, nah.
20:47	But it yeah (??).
20:48	Alright. Yeah.
20:50	Okay.
20:52	Ha, even more. #
20:54	Mm mm no. $
20:57	But are we going for a strange uh form?
21:01	No, not very strange.
21:01	People like that.
21:02	Not not too strange, no.
21:03	Not too strange. You can make the the underside you can make it more round where the L_C_D_ is.
21:07	Yes, s- th- a a kind of bridge, so it f- falls over the hand.
21:10	I dunno if you know the no- Nokia telephone with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms s- something like that.
21:18	You know?
21:19	Well I have at home # a remote with a bridge, it's just a half round half* half* circle at and then it falls exactly over the hand and that's very nice, (that s- it) feels comfortable.
21:31	Yeah, but people like something uh new you know, yeah, different.
21:34	Exotic yeah. We have t- yeah yeah I will design it we design it later so we'll get to that later I guess.
21:36	Yeah.
21:39	Alright, great.
21:40	Yeah, alright. Um where did I put it? Um conceptual phase, I think this is it.
21:43	(There is) specific shape (??).
21:45	#
21:49	I got this from our friends. So $ uh yeah the conceptual design.
21:53	#
21:54	$ Our sources.
21:59	These are a few examples which we have to decide about, (all the) the materials from the case uh electric cable that's all your uh your side of the story.
22:11	Um.
22:11	Your bag.
22:12	$ Yeah. Um now from the user interface your uh (??) $ um where no well that's more like the buttons where they have to come and um
22:25	d- a bit of yeah well a bit of uh design.
22:30	Yeah this is what we've just done.
22:32	But uh we should decide now.
22:32	Yes but we have to decide about these now, and uh the trend watching so as you said, fruity is in n- well (??) sells good, wow uh (these ??)
22:34	Ah right.
22:34	Yeah, materials are the most, most important.
22:41	Yeah.
22:43	So we have to uh put it in one uh document #.
22:46	Uh yes um so if we uhgo through them -
22:49	Copy paste uh this story into a into a word document and then uh put the answers after the subjects # yeah.
22:58	[vocal noise]
23:00	Not everything.
23:02	Well we have to decide (all) these thing?
23:04	Yeah but # all these examples are uh of a coffee machine.
23:07	Yeah well uh -
23:09	W- we can uh override them?
23:10	Why should I uh -
23:11	$
23:12	Yeah.
23:13	#
23:14	So.
23:15	Well uh a case uh that's me uh I suggest well what do I suggest actually, (??)?
23:19	What, what kind of properties should it have. Well we just listened.
23:23	I think we # why don't we um use uh titanium or or a hard yeah some kind of metal for the uh the the whole remote except the front. Tha-
23:24	S- solid yeah, yeah.
23:33	Do you know the new uh -
23:37	Just like um most cell phones are.
23:38	Yeah, I understand # yeah. So we have titanium # -
23:39	#
23:43	Front is the most important.
23:44	Yeah but the non removeable elements of the of the remote so not the front, could be titanium, to give that uh strong look, and then the front is made of plastic, and you can put it on and off, and switch it.
23:52	Yeah.
23:53	You know (why)?
24:01	Yeah.
24:01	But the feel of plastic isn't strong.
24:03	No but you have titanium of course uh you have the best of both worlds.
24:04	You you have -
24:06	Yeah alright, alright, 'kay.
24:08	Yeah you have the re- remote in your hand like this, so you feel titanium #.
24:13	And of course yeah you have the the the plastic front end, but you also have the titanium.
24:16	Yeah, fronts are are cheaper than when they're (??).
24:19	Yeah.
24:19	Yeah of course but yeah (well) you have to make a
24:23	And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to.
24:23	decision.
24:27	Yeah, but it it's expensive.
24:29	I guess so uh titanium I sh- I think uh -
24:31	Bendable. $ Bendable.
24:32	Huh? Well, well the -
24:34	Well any colour um um -
24:36	According to my sources uh it's it's totally possible to make an entire uh uh uh titanium is available and uh we can uh make uh and entire remote out of it if you want.
24:46	Yeah then you you paint it in the colour you want, the plastic is is the colour you want.
24:48	Yeah.
24:50	Paint spray.
24:51	Um.
24:52	Yeah alright.
24:54	(??).
24:55	So, we're going for a titanium back and a plastic front?
24:55	Alright.
24:57	I have uh -
24:58	Yeah, I think that's a nice trade-off.
24:59	Mm.
24:59	Titanium back, plastic front. Okay. Um well I am going to put it in here uh because we can uh look, I - um solid feel and trendy* look. So material um hard plastic for the front.
25:05	Yeah, great.
25:06	Yeah.
25:07	Alright.
25:18	Yeah, for the front and then titanium for the back.
25:22	For the non removeable uh part.
25:24	But then you have the problem, when you have a titanium back you can't switch it when you want an other colour on the front, it doesn't match.
25:33	Well but #
25:34	Well titanium is neutral. #
25:35	the titan- titanium isn't isn't v- very yeah, i- it doesn't uh (curve) $ no uh ^nei^ $ titanium is very - but (no no no) but you know b- titanium is very basic colour and it doesn't really matter if we have a purple front on it or a orange front, I dunno if if you disagree but I think it's doesn't matter very much.
25:41	$ # Understand, yeah, yeah.
25:41	$
25:43	$
25:50	Alright.
25:52	Yeah, alright.
25:53	Our (??) will use those uh funky uh trendy colours, and they don't use uh -
25:57	And even if it does uh doesn't match it (would) (??) people like (um) -
25:59	#
26:00	(??) alright. $
26:01	Mm.
26:01	'Kay (in well) the the electrical cable is just normal uh ^?? van dat uh ding^. $
26:02	That don't match.
26:02	$
26:04	#
26:06	(??).
26:11	Yeah.
26:11	Excuse me?
26:12	$
26:13	$
26:14	The electrical cable uh -
26:15	S- uh from uh our coffee uh -
26:16	Yeah cover i- just a ba- basic uh -
26:17	No we don't use them (the) electrical cable, yeah inside but this is for the coffee uh machine.
26:19	^Nei of -^
26:20	Yeah in -
26:21	$
26:22	Yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of uh -
26:24	Of course.
26:24	Yeah but that's not what's meant here I think.
26:27	^Nei.^
26:28	(Or well nah.)
26:29	So external.
26:30	Mm.
26:31	Oh external well (we do we have diffi- ??) coffee grind doesn't have - (??) never mind the coffee grind.
26:32	Yeah.
26:32	Yeah.
26:37	Well um all the all the inside work of our remote is a standard
26:38	$
26:39	#
26:44	work so uh $
26:45	$ Right?
26:46	#
26:48	the chip is normal silicon uh the buttons are normal etcetera, okay? So that's just easy uh, we decide about that just by looking at our competitors and (??) launch. The conceptual specification of the user interface.
26:49	%
26:51	$
26:53	Alright. Mm-hmm.
27:05	Um well we have our beautiful drawing.
27:09	#
27:09	Well I got a better one here and I will um -
27:11	Alright.
27:11	Well you can put that in uh into the shared folder and then I'll put it in our end report.
27:13	Uh shared folder.
27:16	I will work this out uh for the uh next meeting.
27:18	Yes, you can
27:20	# you can uh put some uh which button is what. Okay. Um the trend watching -
27:20	#
27:23	Yeah yeah yeah.
27:25	#
27:28	(?? included) these days, and what do we, we thing that fruits and bright colours are -
27:30	#
27:36	Yeah the the the front w-
27:36	I think we can launch a couple of packages, you can buy a different kind # of of machine but it's the same thing, but with another front. So -
27:41	Yeah.
27:47	Yes. We can also uh implement um we can also implement (??) from um movies that are very hot.
27:47	Mm-hmm.
27:49	Yeah that's the whole idea of the front.
27:49	And you can you can -
27:50	Yeah. Hmm.
27:55	Yeah right.
27:55	But that's for later on, the front y- you can do anything with them.
27:56	Those kind of things.
27:58	Yeah.
27:59	Yeah but if you if you launch uh five different packages like iPod mini -
28:04	For the uh initiative uh launch.
28:06	Yeah.
28:07	For the for the launch, yeah.
28:08	It's good marketing.
28:08	Mm.
28:11	Launch different lines at once.
28:11	So (??) then a c- couple of basic colours, not not very uh # sim- not -
28:15	Yeah, n- not too heavy. You can always take another (??).
28:19	We should not give them the m- the most lovely front
28:20	Yeah.
28:23	$ They have to buy it later on $ right $, more basic. #
28:25	when they buy it for the first time, yeah, 'cause $ come on. $ We still have to make those fifty million, $.
28:26	$ Yeah.
28:31	Very boring, yeah. The most boring front possible.
28:32	#
28:32	Well you can you can give 'em uh s- s- three or so so that they can uh experiment with it and that they want more.
28:34	#
28:35	Most ugly.
28:38	Yeah, right.
28:39	Two.
28:39	Yeah but you* you can have some basic colours and then we come with the special patterns on them and and uh and uh -
28:43	Red red blue and green you give them or something and then you can give them (i- indeed) uh other ones.
28:44	Yeah.
28:44	Yeah.
28:47	Yep, alright.
28:49	Um well the buttons etcetera we get from Mike uh this fruit and bright colours yeah well I think we'll have to in the next uh half an hour we'll have to uh s- s- specify the different uh types we want to launch when we uh # well introduce our remote.
29:12	(Yeah wouldn't you) still have to make (we) have still have to make the es- the the real basic design, because yeah we have the sketch but -
29:16	Yeah. But we we must remember that # fancy look and feel is the most important thing, else it won't sell, so -
29:21	Yes.
29:25	Yse. Well I'll have to before I get another warning for five minutes I'm going to get -
29:25	Ah right, yeah.
29:32	Where is my mouse? Uh where is my mouse. $
29:34	$
29:35	$
29:37	$
29:37	(??).
29:38	#
29:38	Oh yeah, uh um, this is it.
29:43	$
29:44	$
29:45	$
29:45	Unbelieveable.
29:52	Well um this we have uh basic stuff, interface we have, supplements, L_C_D_, maybe a a cheap voice recording.
29:54	Yeah.
30:05	Yeah we should do that.
30:05	The price.
30:06	Yes, alright. Individual actions.
30:09	We all agree on that, yeah.
30:10	Mm.
30:11	Industry designer (??), User Interface Mike, you're going to work together
30:17	on a prototype drawing on the smartboard.
30:20	Yeah, we can do that.
30:22	Together or uh yeah together how yeah yeah but how to I -
30:24	To get $ -
30:26	That's what I got uh to hear.
30:26	Uh we stay we stay here or something?
30:28	The well we'll get it to (hear) that I think, but I think so it they're saying smartboard and (this - it).
30:30	$
30:32	$
30:33	You can take smart board. $
30:34	Ah right $ and take it to our rooms and uh # -
30:34	This is the smartboard, so -
30:38	Um, so you can uh you you are going to make a prototype, and y- well that's includes uh specifying the buttons etcetera.
30:44	Ah, specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach.
30:47	Yeah, (just) so you'll get it on your em- on your laptop. Um well you will go and do something else um, the $
30:53	$
30:53	$ Some -
30:54	$
30:55	Have fun $.
30:56	$ project evaluation, so um -
30:58	Some non functional test.
31:01	'Kay.
31:02	(??) what are you going to do? Uh I don't know what product evaluation exactly means but uh you'll get uh the specifications.
31:09	We don't have prode- product yet, so -
31:11	Yeah, that's why I uh -
31:12	Kind of difficult.
31:13	But uh
31:13	$ You're fired. No (??).
31:14	$
31:15	$
31:16	how long do we still have?
31:17	$
31:19	Well can we talk about something else uh -
31:20	Yeah, so?
31:22	Uh no I don't know anything but maybe uh anyone else uh - eh?
31:24	(??).
31:24	Yeah.
31:26	Will we use uh round buttons or square ones for the -
31:30	Um round, yeah.
31:30	Round I think.
31:31	The numbers yeah I I I also uh thought. Yeah.
31:32	To make it as uh as round as possible.
31:35	And these uh these s- these buttons are more uh triangle ish shaped with a square one in the middle. Yeah, yeah.
31:39	Why does this -
31:42	Curvy, yeah, so you can see you have to up or down.
31:46	But now I see the -
31:48	This must be uh volume I think on this programme.
31:50	#
31:54	Mm.
31:56	$ We can't get -
31:57	# Well most of the time uh up and down is programme and left and right are volume I think.
32:03	Well th- th- th- th- the that depends uh.
32:04	#
32:04	Yeah, it depends, but -
32:08	Well we uh
32:09	Turn up the volume you will always see (the) thingy.
32:11	we we we just - we'll just give 'em an uh we'll design it and then they can give comments on it.
32:12	Yeah, that's right.
32:14	Yeah. Yeah alright.
32:15	Yeah, okay.
32:15	S- it doesn't work any more. We (can't) save them so we'll just have them uh standing there.
32:21	Yeah, I noticed.
32:23	You can th- uh click the corner.
32:24	No. $ 'S a bit uh bit a pity. % Well we still have uh more than five minutes, um
32:25	$
32:27	(??) real
32:29	real great
32:33	#
32:34	so # what are we going to do?
32:37	#
32:39	I as Project Management* ha- don't have a clue. $ Oh we can uh decide how we implement # the feeling from our company into the remote.
32:41	Let's start the design.
32:50	Well yeah um I think um # a logo our company logo and the slogan should be or could be - yeah, why not # if there's enough space (?? can put uh) we'll we'll -
32:55	Also the slogan on the -
33:00	Uh I I'd say only the logo.
33:01	O-
33:02	Yeah, me too.
33:04	Too much text and it gets too -
33:05	Well, our slogan is not very long, it's just a simple, what is it? $
33:08	Well # it's quite a long phrase.
33:08	We put the fashion in electronics.
33:11	We put the fashion in electronics.
33:12	But we cre- we keep adjusting to the fashion
33:13	No, you can -
33:16	with our fronts, so -
33:18	But you can put it on the back on the titanium part, the logo and the and the -
33:23	Yeah.
33:23	(Ah) the logo should be on the top I think.
33:24	The logo -
33:26	On the top, yeah.
33:28	Yeah they do - well yeah.
33:29	In the right top corner and well you c- on the back you can put -
33:30	Right corner, yes.
33:31	Right corner, or maybe here in the middle?
33:34	I- at the bottom you can put the logo with the -
33:38	(It) uh the text, yeah.
33:40	Yeah.
33:40	But the logo the logo shouldn't be exchangeable when you get -
33:41	Small.
33:44	Yeah it it should be hard on the on the on the board, and you can remove -
33:44	Well you (??) -
33:45	Well.
33:47	#
33:47	You can, the logo can be on on every uh front.
33:50	Yeah but you can scratch it off or something, it's better if you have it uh -
33:54	Yeah, but then you must have really uh $ push it in or something.
33:55	Carved into the material.
33:58	% Now you you can carve it into the titanium at the back.
34:02	I I like the idea of the of the slogan* on the on the on the thing but # am I the only one or uh?
34:08	Well, management would like it.
34:08	Well n- n- not not on the front side I think.
34:11	The front side no no l- no slogan.
34:12	Now not on the front but on the backside.
34:13	On the back yes you you can yeah push that in # so that it always be there.
34:16	#
34:16	I think it's a nice idea # to make us more recognisable that the next to the logo you have the slogan.
34:20	Yeah.
34:20	Mm.
34:24	I agree.
34:25	To make more s- of an impression.
34:26	But not too big.
34:27	Just uh -
34:28	Not too big no, very small not $ on the entire back but uh just very small # but readable, no of course.
34:35	Okay.
34:36	Yes, slogan from
34:37	But we'll uh we'll take that uh with us into the design.
34:40	company
34:40	Yeah I think over here the logo.
34:42	Lo- uh yeah, or maybe here in the middle, but we'll decide later.
34:43	on the back
34:45	with logo and
34:49	logo also on
34:53	the front but not exchange* uh
34:54	#
35:03	#
35:05	$ when
35:06	^??^
35:13	changing fronts.
35:17	Alright, that's decided.
35:18	Do you see a bit of the of the um
35:20	Five minutes left.
35:22	of the uh titanium o- on the front maybe if you we make this this this lower part titanium (??) the front is the the upper part and the the bit with the with the L_C_D_ screen so -
35:25	Yes we -
35:34	So a bit of titanium between.
35:36	Yeah no no betwe- of between we can do - but then you have two parts of front # two fronts uh -
35:37	That's a bit oh that that's that's pretty cool.
35:40	(No) they have two fronts (that).
35:41	No no no, you have to make this titanium too.
35:42	You you can yeah yeah.
35:44	This enti- entire bottom.
35:44	Also, you got problems with the L_C_D_, like dust in it and so- things like that, when you exchange all the fronts and it's open.
35:47	Hmm.
35:47	Yes.
35:49	Hmm.
35:50	(??).
35:52	I already have uh all kinds of uh
35:54	And then not in a straight line but uh uh some sort of weight.
35:55	(filth) between the mobile.
35:58	Yeah, then the lower part is titanium.
36:00	This is titanium and this is uh -
36:01	I think that's nice, yeah.
36:03	Some kind of wei- (weight) in it, yeah.
36:04	Yeah. Round forms.
36:07	Yeah.
36:09	I like that bit of uh titanium also on the ib-
36:11	Yeah, with the with the curved edge.
36:13	A bit like your a bit like your mobile phone maybe you can show it, it also has the those $ two distinct uh -
36:17	Yeah.
36:18	$
36:20	(Tada).
36:21	Mm bit like this (yeah it's uh) -
36:22	Yeah.
36:22	Yeah.
36:22	Yeah, you can make it oh
36:24	#
36:26	round this corner too where the logo is, because it has to be uh there all the time you know.
36:30	$
36:31	Yeah yeah it that uh yeah maybe a nice touch yeah.
36:32	Ah.
36:33	So uh a little corner of titanium.
36:33	Around -
36:35	Yeah, # -
36:36	Oh, yeah.
36:37	(??).
36:39	Yes, all (that yes) all that sounds uh pretty uh
36:39	Yeah I think yeah.
36:41	So this this is the exchangable part.
36:42	I think I'm going to buy -
36:43	$ We want it, and it's only twenty five Euros. Come one, no well it's nothing.
36:44	This is the front.
36:47	#
36:48	That's a bit too much but no, no no no but uh I think uh this looks uh pretty nice actually. Of course, because it's my design no, no our our design #.
36:52	The phillips remote uh costs more. $
36:55	Right.
36:57	(??)
36:59	$ Taking all the credit.
37:00	Well uh you two are going to work together you'll get your uh specifications on your uh laptop and then uh
37:04	Yeah, we'll stay here I guess.
37:06	But there's a problem, we can't uh take a blank one, or can we?
37:06	you uh -
37:10	Well I think we can, I just (??).
37:12	Well we can uh erase and animal I guess. Uh the fourth one.
37:15	Yeah, nah that's alright.
37:16	But don't erase my cat.
37:19	#
37:19	Yeah, oh.
37:19	Uh the fourth one is empty, isn't it.
37:21	$
37:21	Oh.
37:22	I want to preserve it.
37:25	#
37:26	(??) this one is empty.
37:29	$
37:29	(??) empty one uh.
37:30	Oh, we have a (??) one. $
37:32	$
37:33	What are you doing chief?
37:35	So, you can uh draw a -
37:36	#
37:36	Alright.
37:38	Yeah I think we have to wait?
37:40	Yeah until the until the beep goes, but - I don't uh do we have to stay here, or I think we have to return first.
37:40	Well I'll get a - I'll get the message.
37:42	#
37:43	$
37:46	No I think uh well you'll, maybe you can uh keep your uh laptop here, #.
37:46	Yeah.
37:51	Maybe.
37:52	Or get your mouse, because it's uh
37:53	The high powers from above.
37:55	hard to work with these uh plates.
37:56	(Will have to tell us yeah.)
37:57	Yeah. 'S not relaxing.
38:00	I always have a mouse next to my laptop. I hate these -
38:03	I I don't have a laptop.
38:04	Yeah, (touch bed) yeah.
38:05	Ugh.
38:06	We can uh do a (touch bed) on our remote. $ Just kidding. Well we have uh b- you have to have a bit of humour in the in the discussions too um because it becomes too
38:08	#
38:09	Yeah right.
38:10	$
38:10	Yeah.
38:11	Dream on.
38:18	And in your remote control, so we (put) a touch pad on it and say ha ha. $
38:19	too stressy.
38:21	$
38:21	$
38:22	Aha, this has no function. $
38:24	$
38:25	$
38:26	We know you'll you'll you'll hate it but $ -
38:28	But uh th- youth doesn't care about functio functionality so -
38:31	No.
38:32	But they do want some gadgets, so that's wha- what we're doing.
38:34	It's all about cool (thing).
38:37	And it will sell.
38:39	%
38:39	#
38:41	We will be rich.
38:42	Bless you. $
38:43	Well we won't, our bosses will be rich.
38:46	Mm.
38:47	We've done too much in the previous meetings.
38:50	Too much?
38:51	Yes, we've got nothing to do now.
38:53	Well they -
38:54	Well, that's not bad, is it?
38:55	No.
38:56	I think that's good, we all had uh our talk and
38:59	#
39:01	we agree I guess on uh several thing on most uh on things.
39:07	Mm.
39:10	Just a (??).
39:13	So.
39:19	Oh (??). Oh he's totally off again. $
39:22	#
39:27	Well.
39:27	No man, you just have to push harder.
39:32	Here you have to push harder.
39:33	But when I start here
39:36	Mm.
39:36	$ Yeah.
39:37	it's here, so is it -
39:38	But you you get really close to the screen with the hand and I don't think that's -
39:44	$
39:44	Mm.
39:45	Hmm.
39:45	$
39:48	Recalibrate it.
39:56	Where's the good old chalk board with the
39:58	Yeah.
40:01	green board with the how do you call it, chalk, yeah.
40:09	We can (??) draw a design on this. $
40:13	Yeah, maybe.
40:14	Yeah, but we can't.
40:15	Maybe if i- if that thing is recalibrated we can draw a thing quick and then before it uh
40:20	Yeah.
40:23	goes off again.
40:23	Let's go.
40:25	Well.
40:26	Finish meeting now.
40:27	Finish the meeting now. Alright now we know what to do, so -
40:30	We'll stay here?
40:32	Um -
40:34	Yeah. Oh.
40:37	Or we'll get the e-
40:38	Maybe maybe -
40:38	Message no, get away. $
40:39	$
40:40	M- can we get (??).
40:41	$
40:42	Yeah.
40:44	Um I I'm not sure. Maybe you yeah well you'll have -
40:48	Well we'll wait a few seconds and then we'll get an email.
40:50	Yeah.
40:50	Alright. Have fun lads.
40:51	That's a good idea.
40:53	Well.
40:54	#
40:54	A happy hol- happy holidays. $
40:56	$
40:56	$

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