00:11	yes
00:16	yeah
00:34	okay uh
00:35	and yes you can have it for this five minutes to okay
00:37	sure
00:40	okay welcome back
00:43	i hope for you have a fresh a in a in the first time
00:48	how is not uh making actually we
00:52	getting here
00:53	to discuss the board of functional design
00:57	meeting
00:59	okay and uh maybe see some information from uh on a field and it's and uh i think uh
01:07	initiating for to
01:08	and uh i will invite the the christian and eighty eight and uh i missed to discuss the board on the various subjects
01:17	so can you go to the next left
01:20	yeah uh but i didn't of the meeting is to opening
01:23	and uh
01:25	i'm going to talk about the the project management board i'm going to do and uh of course i'm going to project management executive board
01:33	okay to take the minutes of the meeting
01:35	and then all three presentations one is uh new project requirements
01:40	and the second one the what the decision on remote control functions
01:43	and um find an email closing of and the meeting time will be of forty minutes
01:49	so you know to be very quick
01:52	and i'll come up with a mathematical the the new proposal okay and other discuss a few points on this
01:59	well board states
02:01	new insights in the same old you are the project
02:06	but the one nice a
02:07	that teletext becomes a all more than
02:10	okay because as well because of the computer systems and the new technology
02:15	so we don't need to constantly a little bored or teletext and all they know what the new project design
02:21	the second one a sub what uh
02:24	the remote control
02:26	should be
02:27	used only for the t. v.
02:29	that's for the management say it's
02:33	and the powerpoint it's a very very important
02:37	to install base order of marketing or the corporate image
02:41	okay with this new project all new product
02:46	okay
02:48	so i've it invites uh
02:51	agnes can you go to the source light
02:54	and this is the third time
02:55	okay this
02:57	so
02:58	i'll invite sixteen to discuss about the the functional design
03:05	i don't know
03:06	up and
03:08	uh_huh
03:14	you are just uh_huh
03:16	um number two
03:20	that's it
03:24	don't know sir john needed
03:26	not to say thanks
03:31	sell one
03:33	a lot i've figured yeah
03:35	we should
03:37	yeah man identify some user requirements and from my experience i wanna a and from
03:43	research i did
03:44	i then
03:45	the device has to transfer elevation on on off the first time you press on the big button he can't yeah
03:52	can have like it waffling on this point you know they had a nice to be able to use to be able to find it
03:58	'cause one biggest problems with
04:00	remote controls this
04:02	finding them
04:04	it's still well i also since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product
04:09	though the look at things that are popular and um picks go beyond goal as soon as i said first meeting
04:16	um and then uh we might wanna talk of in chile about the materials that are appropriate to use in a in the construction especially be at the outside of the
04:27	products so that it gives the appearance
04:30	and it's reliable and so forth
04:33	i did a little history on and that then uh remote controls and when they were invented and so forth said
04:40	i guess this guy's mean if that created the flash matter
04:44	check out like the idea 'cause it made me think of time
04:47	um maybe the remote control made a big flash one yeah you turn the t. v. on and off that might be interesting
04:53	and um so it was highly directional flashlights
05:00	that that you could turn the picture on off this down on off and change channels so i think and those are still requirements we have today um
05:11	fifteen years later
05:13	and that what was really a pioneering innovation but it was that sense it's the sun so that day would get
05:20	would start off by that
05:22	you get it would
05:23	easily cause some problems
05:26	so what i'm
05:28	i data in addition to uh looking at the um that the functional crimes all these devices are examples of where um they would represent
05:40	examples that are available today
05:42	one in the middle
05:44	as you haven't really yeah
05:44	fantastic
05:47	something to keep in mind be easy to find
05:50	and um
05:51	it would that be eaten
05:53	he could fry what it thinks if if they did meeting tonight off you could
05:59	use it for something else
06:00	and since i'm not really um
06:03	industrial designer i didn't i know what to do with this slide
06:07	but um
06:08	i just took some difference
06:12	has schematics and i put them into this and i guess this is one side might look like if you would on a circuit board or not but i don't know why them
06:21	resting his cell
06:24	i
06:25	personal preferences um
06:28	i think we could that are really thinking outside the back here and i think that we should consider perhaps
06:33	having an l. n. s. size it out
06:36	the remote control the changes and size depending on the user preference to something is very very flexible an inflatable and then you could shrink it
06:45	i'm thinking maybe you could do it at one extreme be very colourful worry you could make it
06:50	clear and then i'm kind of
06:52	bland and i think so you don't have to um i have a problem with that the the decoration enough that of the users home
07:01	um i think that it needs to be waterproof because um
07:05	sometimes they fall and to cups and
07:08	you know it might be out by the swimming pool or something like that
07:10	um if you what i meant well but but my requirements was a bad it needs to tell you when it's done it's job or not because at that time i keep pushing on the remote control nine
07:21	don't know if it's actually
07:22	understood my message still think it should give you some sort of an oral keel
07:26	and now of course i never wanna replace the battery
07:30	so that's those are my preferences and that's my presentation
07:34	yeah let me uh it's up to a uh
07:37	you can add all the facility all the future like uh unbreakable
07:41	yes
07:41	okay it because uh
07:43	the specially for they you know you have a comedy indicates okay indicates or tended to play with the remote signed in e. x. e. s.
07:49	run over a with a car
07:52	okay so you can add the future okay party with the public whatever you do all claim design okay but on breakable locating but we do
08:01	oh lord of advantage
08:03	for our product
08:04	good idea
08:04	i'm not from
08:05	good idea out of the um
08:06	maybe you can uh i did in that
08:08	yes okay
08:19	can i think it's used in and uh of any questions or uh
08:25	but if occasions or
08:27	any discussion on the functional design
08:33	do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials
08:36	as for example in the unbreakable been doing something plastic would be harder away
08:41	uh_huh
08:42	having something i think
08:43	and a steeler typed amy amazing really eat economically i can't all
08:44	take titanium
08:45	titanium be
08:49	he had they to win it
08:50	yeah
08:53	no i haven't really and i want feedback i think we need to break bring peace but we'll see what you're a personal preferences are in your pants
08:57	yeah
08:59	sure
09:00	no i was wondering whether the you had any
09:04	i like titanium it's a like
09:05	yeah
09:06	yeah
09:06	expensive
09:08	yeah but said well i only way you know i know they tell me how much of their mind and soul objective it's so um
09:09	the marketing i
09:11	yes
09:16	yeah so
09:17	there are definitely something and made out of time again you know
09:18	yeah the the um slowly because the the last meeting we supposed this is the board of punishment thing
09:24	uh let me go quickly maybe we can go by
09:28	kind of project plan and the budget
09:35	right and who says no
09:40	is mm
10:18	so that you see as as uh
10:31	yeah christa mm
10:33	since system
10:51	that's mine
10:52	so
10:54	so
10:58	uh_huh
10:59	unless you were leaving a pretty much uh
11:00	okay i i well i was an email okay had no project maybe about the project they want to
11:05	but the end of the day of the company of wants to make at least uh the fifty million euro okay
11:13	kind of called a place would be very reasonable on the the suicide okay that to maybe you didn't talk to board the home with the price and uh what's the
11:22	how much it's cost for them on functional much it's going to be listed in the market
11:27	okay
11:28	and uh you can combine with your feedback and uh i have one maybe those additional being in this remote control to
11:37	it can be for like you and was soon to use for any t. v.
11:42	okay
11:43	and it would be silly
11:44	okay and uh
11:46	not that
11:47	not five
11:48	yeah
11:51	might be hard to find them
11:55	but let's try to locate with the different the the designs okay the functional designs
11:56	oh okay
12:01	so any other questions
12:04	move from our site a little things uh
12:07	there's too many more questions
12:09	okay
12:10	come to them
12:10	thank you to stay at the time being so than uh
12:14	that's so can you tell what
12:15	okay from the marketing yeah for the marketing side just to to give an idea with the managers looking for
12:21	looking for a remote control to those
12:24	he's
12:27	i have a sales price of twenty five euro
12:31	with a production price so for half a year
12:36	for what so uh i think for what we're trying to find we were looking for a whole thing that price is exactly
12:43	in the market
12:44	okay i'll explain myself you know the sense that so
12:50	in a in a recent surveys
12:53	uh from you just fifteen to thirty five eighty percent are willing to spend more money for something as fancy as strange
13:00	twenty five euros so that's that's a pretty reasonable price that's a marker price right now
13:05	yeah for gonna take away ask
13:08	and push this up a bit
13:10	make it more expensive but give them and of things that they don't have now
13:14	but we could possibly sell a piece of the risk is there
13:18	too expensive but not gonna buy
13:19	but
13:21	i think goes there's one other thing interesting to things are interesting uh_huh
13:25	is that uh from the fifteen to thirty five year old group
13:29	which are we spend more money on trendy new things
13:33	speech recognition is requested
13:36	were talking between
13:37	speech
13:37	seventy five to ninety percent
13:40	of this group is willing to pay you for speech recognition remote
13:45	obviously can't make a remote into computer but maybe simple commands
13:51	louder
13:52	softer
13:53	on off
13:56	that might be a possibility even know what cost more
13:59	to be the first on the market to produce
14:02	thirty five percent say that too difficult to you
14:05	so we've got a way to make it more user friendly
14:10	uh oh uh fifty percent said they can find the remote have the time
14:15	so maybe one word speech recognition commands a remote and there's a beep beep beep and they can find of them don't intend the newspapers magazines whatever you have a whole
14:26	and the cost that the the management of looking for something to be awful
14:31	but of a strange if it's fancy stats colour to
14:34	for use a easy to use it has got simple remote
14:38	speech remote so control
14:40	what is the powder softer change channel
14:43	all off
14:45	remote because be be like to find them of all without spending half a day looking forward to getting all sectors i can turn the t. v. on
14:52	we have to look at it in this global idea with the ideas
14:57	the initial design
15:01	price obviously we have talk about
15:05	so what did think about uh
15:07	the design sectors to do you think you can make a border
15:14	that i'm sorry
15:16	or did you get bored the the design of what tools talking about
15:20	speech recognition
15:21	of the speech recognition
15:25	well um training is always an issue with yeah
15:29	commands
15:30	uh_huh
15:31	so um might to
15:34	a week and perhaps a um
15:37	do it
15:38	if the user is willing to do
15:41	spend some time in the training process eh could reduce that
15:45	but uh
15:47	the overall um
15:49	cost
15:50	i'm sure now
15:52	but send any plane um
15:55	i i think also that that
15:58	this might
15:58	impact the battery life
16:01	and then so maybe what will have to do is
16:05	and and something where you can
16:07	uh_huh
16:09	recharge it
16:11	wirelessly
16:13	so that day he he had a sentence and that word to it
16:17	so the or maybe i said at this time in it that you know gets that from the like
16:22	um the solar cell inside there are so that to
16:26	you have enough
16:28	yeah
16:29	jeez to do all these fancy things
16:31	it seems also like that and speech recognition yeah it's a great feature but if you're watching t. v. there's a lot of ambient sound and that's where it's it's not just in the noises like something hitting
16:42	it's actual speech that then you have to make sure that the speech recogniser is good enough
16:47	the filter out the t. v. speech
16:50	and the the user speech otherwise you can say run out but if someone on the screen is saying the same thing
16:52	off
16:55	all of a sudden you have someone in a movie saying also in your screen i was
17:00	because they've treated the remote control and it's turned off the t. v.
17:05	so
17:06	i think if we can find a speech recogniser they can handle those types of problems
17:10	then you have you really good marketing gimmick that
17:13	i think we seriously need to consider how that would impact
17:18	the situation
17:19	very good point
17:21	because uh well with speech recognition um a lot
17:24	that
17:25	good at that idea but that
17:27	uh_huh
17:28	if it's a one word
17:30	recognition 'cause i know with telephone cars things i've seen in the states and uh minimises callhome and it calls up mall
17:38	yeah
17:39	yeah the radio can be on and everything
17:41	'cause i think's with speech recognition of the the the remote for a like telephone
17:46	has it
17:47	exactly more
17:49	that has to hear
17:51	i don't think it would come to a sentence
17:53	the television somebody speaking on the same the television i stop us a remote
17:58	okay
17:58	uh_huh
17:59	so i think that uh something to be designed to recognise single word
18:03	oh yeah yeah
18:04	like that's what the telephone
18:04	it's a great idea if we can design and since since you guys are
18:06	no because i know that this is this is years ago an interesting to private only is callhome telephone call immediately
18:12	yeah
18:13	silence kinda cute
18:19	what what they can uh a sadistic this to okay a if we need some uh
18:24	that they can go feedback on some findings
18:27	okay
18:28	the what the this facility especially for the speech recognition
18:32	i can become a new some companies like the into or maybe um okay because they're already induces speech recognition or okay
18:41	and uh you can maybe have some of the in the back of them some kind of what technical file
18:47	okay and uh if you want i can coordinate look at the bits of information
18:52	again do you can uh let me know okay so what kind of the
18:58	the details you the quiet
19:00	okay to write this future
19:04	and this project
19:06	i don't think it's a bit difficult
19:12	and um we need to know how much is that time frame you need to do
19:17	or from or what have for that
19:21	okay i will find that out
19:24	from your side though you have to go back to management is
19:27	yes
19:28	be more precise what do they want the risk take a risk of the market something's gonna cost more but
19:35	for ease of use
19:36	it's
19:37	make a home in the market
19:39	because that's really something totally different have to was totally new something that nobody has right
19:44	yeah but
19:44	it's gonna cost
19:45	but end of the day you all those sales guys or are they combine can see tony go ahead because uh you know when to do you assess projection okay
19:54	that's uh of course it's a photo well so the management how much it's cost us a normal job and the benefit okay
19:54	uh_huh
19:59	sure sure
20:00	and um so i don't mind to conveyance okay the management goes by and uh some more money although project okay if you can make all off
20:11	obviously
20:12	the money from this point
20:12	if the bottom line is positive
20:14	okay i don't mind that honest over the management look at the management say it's okay so they they don't want certain facilities which
20:22	it's already worn look at the one something the new locate i think i like the speech recognition definitely the leg be had one thing the signal for that but it and uh i hope i can convince them on the on the
20:36	so if you have any idea lady also came for to you you can always company you can tell me if you need they need
20:42	of special okay of coordination of a bit in india technical companies be cheap and uh
20:48	hide their technology tobacco
20:50	okay
20:51	five euros of the functional design or technical design of the the number or to do that
21:01	and uh also comments able to
21:06	um
21:07	well i mean maybe if i go to my presentation you can sort of see what the user perspective and is and how it ties into the other two comments
21:14	yeah so you'll finish any kind of so i can uh
21:16	yes
21:18	okay and uh and that to me
21:22	and it was this
21:27	uh are you in
21:28	mm participant three
21:30	spins
21:38	yeah jim
21:39	okay so
21:58	oops
22:03	yes
22:04	see to it
22:04	yeah that's fine
22:08	okay so
22:10	basically it
22:12	the method that we usually use in the user interface design is that we need to look at what people like a wonderful dog like about existing products in our case existing remote controls
22:21	and then what the good ideas are not that bad ideas are and why they're bad and good which is it always is obviously seem to have intuitions about why
22:29	things are good and things are bad but when you look
22:32	technically yet how it works
22:34	sometimes that's not the case
22:36	there we need to decide what functionalities we really want to keep is that a feed into that with
22:41	that's why i am christians work
22:44	um and then what the remote control should look like obviously once we've got a good idea of what the functionalities are
22:51	so in terms of of functionalities that we need obviously need to be able to turn the t. v. on and off you need to change channels
22:57	both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing
23:01	you need to build to control the ball you know and then control any menus on the t. v.
23:05	to regulate contrast or whatever
23:11	so the problems that people of expenses that there's too many buttons on remote controls in general
23:17	the buttons it's not clear what they're supposed to deal
23:21	um off and you need to that specific button sequences
23:25	to get certain functionalities than um which you don't necessarily always remember especially if it's a functionality that you don't use very often
23:33	and that the buttons are too small
23:36	so here we've got two examples where
23:39	you're on that left hand side you can see a remote control that has lots lots of buttons the buttons in a lot of cases it might be
23:47	um they're hard to see and okay they're labelled by x.
23:51	the labels don't necessarily tell you too much
23:54	whereas on the other side you have a much simpler remote control
23:57	that i think basically has a minimum functionalities
24:01	that i needed and
24:03	it sort of luck simpler and just
24:06	less imposing when you first look at it so i would be inclined to go search words this
24:11	in terms of design rather than that's
24:14	and if the specific functionalities they require more buttons and we can figure out how to deal with existing
24:20	um buttons
24:21	my personal preferences hard to keep the number of buttons to a lemon
24:25	or to a minimum sorry
24:26	make frequently used buttons bigger and more she to replace the like the on button being really obvious one
24:32	the channel changing and the volume
24:35	and to keep the design basically sleek and simple
24:39	which i think ties into what christian and that of of sad
24:43	fairly reasonably
24:45	and that's that's pretty much and then
24:49	i dunno if you guys have any
24:51	questions or
24:57	i was saddened seems that
25:00	very understandable and clearly your research and that
25:03	an hour's to hang in the same direction
25:07	and them
25:09	right
25:10	the only thing that i'm so um missing from uh your your research that we found
25:16	was this said the delay defines
25:18	the da dun think we need it
25:20	yes that's true
25:21	so why you know but that's okay that's why we're all your table so that if we think of it or not research indicates certain things and
25:28	um
25:29	but it's complementary
25:31	i also think that to um
25:34	uh
25:35	the the the feel of it is a
25:39	when you hold it
25:41	is something that them
25:44	uh_huh was expressed more and in in in mind that
25:49	design
25:50	uh_huh
25:50	and that's logical and normal 'cause
25:53	those are the parameters the and the straw desires more thinking about the look and feel
25:59	and and here
25:59	oh that's definitely a very important factor especially to users are gonna be mind thing and then using it almost done and
26:02	for yeah
26:06	daily basis and a lot of cases i think
26:07	uh_huh
26:10	okay so i don't have any questions sounds good
26:14	so
26:16	but anybody need uh any data for for time being
26:20	on this so subjects okay so
26:23	this combined to me and uh just and maybe i can uh try to help you to get some uh the technical
26:30	but the companies that before to make a design a slim
26:33	okay and to add some features like what the point of what the speech recognition of all
26:40	should be
26:41	maybe make a decision about what features we actually want to include 'cause we saw run a lot of features on the table but
26:47	do we actually want to incorporate all of them or
26:52	and we missed anything
26:52	uh_huh
26:53	don't go back and look at the close and find maybe that would provide some guidance
26:58	sure
27:13	doesn't nine times
27:14	so
27:16	oh really this one because
27:17	yeah
27:17	but it's as individual actions
27:19	it's it's a user and so i'm supposed to do the components concept
27:24	supposed to work on the user interface concept you're supposed to keep watching the trends
27:29	um and specific instructions will be sent by our our coach
27:34	i think we should do is you may need features is to start with all of them right now on a lemon eight them later in the process that's my suggestion
27:45	okay but to be great
27:46	uh_huh
27:47	and uh i use a new the the minutes of that
27:49	you can object if you want to
27:51	no i'm just thinking in terms of time i guess
27:53	today
27:55	that's not exactly no i mean i was thinking is very practical to start designing something with features that we just can and then throwing away i mean it takes a lot of
28:05	time and a half hour
28:07	for everyone to
28:09	consider different features
28:11	um
28:13	and see if we spend that time at have for all and features that we're not gonna use maybe it's better to spend that
28:19	thinking more about features that we have to do want that
28:22	all the recent results
28:22	i think should take that as an action item for after the meeting 'cause we are meeting time is right now somebody else's got it uses from and you know we can hang out here and talk about this so
28:23	i guess
28:25	yeah
28:27	sharon
28:30	yeah sure
28:31	okay what are the snow will will take for lunch break okay then uh uh we can discuss for them or
28:37	okay with or ideas and uh then we'll come back again the the next week
28:41	so thanks for coming and uh sentiments of making and the police which are only information in the fitting for to so everybody can fit information
28:51	okay
28:52	so let's go for lunch time
28:54	i agree
28:54	thank you very much

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