00:43	# So let's start our second me- meeting on # conceptual design. So, as the previous meeting I will be the secretary and we will have three presentations and we'll have to decide on the remote control concept and finally we'll close the decision. So I will first uh -
00:49	$
00:50	Mm-hmm.
00:56	Mm-hmm.
01:14	No y- you do the minutes first, or?
01:17	What?
01:18	No?
01:19	I I think I will let uh our User Interface Designer speak first, Mister David Jordan.
01:21	Okay.
01:27	Yep.
01:28	So, we'll -
01:33	S- technical ^accessoire^? Interface?
01:33	Yeah.
01:37	No no no. Yeah.
01:40	This.
01:40	Mm.
01:45	So uh first I will present* the concept of user interface. Um there's three concepts in the user interface. So first one it's a Google controller.
01:59	The second is a fancy controller. The last one is uh intelligent controller. So there are three concepts in our controller.
02:08	Um n- next I will explain one by one, the first is Google controller. Um, so I want the controller to be easy to use, but with sophisticated* functions. So it's a combination of easy to use and um sophisticated* functions.
02:26	Uh this is a first concept of our controller. The second concept is a fancy controller, um so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive, um they can easy recognise our controller among* a* lot of products, so so the u- the user f- the the u- user interface should be very very cute, very very g- um
02:53	Mm.
02:53	Mm.
02:57	A nice one.
02:57	attractive. Such like this, there are several uh examples in the slides.
03:03	$ I'm not sure the one in the middle $ is very attractive. $ It's very big, $ yeah.
03:03	$
03:03	$
03:05	$ Yeah, it's very, you know if you're -
03:09	$
03:09	Yeah. It's hard f- i- it's easy for you to remember it. $ Or to recognise it, yeah.
03:11	$
03:12	$
03:14	$ Okay. Yeah, why not. # We'll have big discussion I suppose after that, so.
03:17	Yeah.
03:18	Yeah.
03:19	$ Yeah. $ Yeah.
03:21	Yeah. So the last uh concept is intelligent. We want uh we want our controller to be smart, so maybe we should uh use um uh
03:22	Mm.
03:30	Mm.
03:30	Mm-hmm.
03:36	technology, such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology, so we need to have coop- some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and um gesture recognition. Um
03:54	With this advanced features we - I think we can attract a lot of user.
03:59	Okay. Something else?
04:00	Okay. No. There - this is the three concepts of our controller. Yeah.
04:04	Yeah.
04:05	I just have one question, because for the intelligent controller, # you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition, but as the um expert told us, most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t- to zap between channels. Do you think they will be able to use gestures? Because, if they do all the time the same gesture, as you said previously in the last meeting, maybe they will get injuries because of that? or if you say channel three channel three two three four six five, I think they will be bored* after a while. You don't think so?
04:09	Yeah.
04:24	Yeah, so -
04:27	Y-
04:34	$
04:35	$ Yeah. Maybe.
04:44	Uh I think some time it's very uh convenient* to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button. For example, if you cannot find* your uh $ controller, you can just uh $ just just uh speak something such as, yeah, one two.
04:51	Yeah, sure.
04:54	I- That's true. $
04:55	Oh yeah, $ that's a good - that's a good point, so.
05:00	One and -
05:01	Yeah, but suppose you got a cold. You have a mute remote controller.
05:03	Yeah.
05:04	Mm.
05:04	$
05:05	So you can use your gesture. That's no problem. $
05:08	$
05:08	Yeah but how how is - how risky is it to trust like speech* recognition or gesture recognition?
05:10	Broken arm?
05:15	For limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s- limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very -
05:18	Okay. Okay.
05:23	Yeah, but suppose you have a family watching T_V_, and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time, do you think it will work? Everybody wanting to change channel in the same time?
05:25	Yeah.
05:26	$ Yep. $
05:33	But this this - but this would never happen anyway.
05:36	Yeah, they cannot speak at the same time.
05:36	Why?
05:38	Yeah -
05:38	If you have one brother and one sister and they want to watch their favourite uh T_V_ programme, so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel three all the time, so.
05:41	Yeah, but the -
05:46	$ Yeah but $ Yeah but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control because the -
05:46	Yeah, it's very interesting. $
05:46	Yeah but this -
05:50	Yeah.
05:51	Yeah.
05:51	I don't think it -
05:51	Yeah, but you have the remote control, so maybe you can keep it f- with you. You're not you're not obliged to share it.
05:54	$ That's right.
05:57	Oh, okay, okay, you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff.
05:59	Yeah, we can - yeah.
06:00	Yeah, that's that's the advantage of intelligent* controller. Even you h- you have the controller, I can # I can say channel three, so it's c- come to channel three, I don't have to $ -
06:03	No.
06:03	$ It's - it's @ $
06:07	No, but this is disadvant- disadvantage.
06:08	Yeah, I think it's a disadvantage.
06:10	It's advantage.
06:10	Yeah.
06:11	And mayb- maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to
06:15	Yeah, but one other question. How how much will it cost?
06:16	manual controllers, eh.
06:19	No, more expensive maybe.
06:20	How much?
06:21	Yeah. Because I suppose we need to do research to have something working.
06:24	No no we we d- we we just are use um -
06:26	Uh if you if if you use the basic -
06:27	Some some efficient.
06:29	No no we just um have some cooperation with some research institute, we don't have to do some basic research on this field.
06:36	So you think it won't cost an -
06:39	Not a lot for us?
06:41	Or?
06:41	Yeah, I think it's uh - because uh this technology is uh
06:45	um for limited wor- or limited wor- uh lexical* recognition, it's very -
06:50	Yeah, but uh uh -
06:51	it's uh - yeah.
06:52	But it's it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built. Because then you need uh -
06:52	It's -
06:59	I mean this doesn't have uh the power to do recognition, for example.
07:04	Well y- y- you have also the language problem, you know when you -
07:05	No it's uh -
07:06	Even for the f- um because the the vocabulary - the -
07:07	Mm-mm.
07:08	'Cause it it have to be universal, so.
07:10	Yeah. I agree with uh -
07:11	The vocabulary is very small, so that's not a problem.
07:12	Yeah.
07:13	Yeah, but there is one problem that uh Baba talked about* is the international
07:16	# Yeah.
07:17	Yeah.
07:18	$
07:18	$
07:20	remote control. We need something that is international. Suppose we're - we want to sell it in France.
07:26	Yeah.
07:27	The recognition system will be able to understand French. If you want to go to England, it will be able to understand English, so.
07:32	Yeah.
07:34	Yeah, the key, the key um the key of our - the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some um adaptation
07:35	Yeah, this could be downloaded by the web maybe, or -
07:46	mechanism*. It's It's it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese. It's r- if you sell this controller in France* it can recognise French.
07:46	Yeah but you know. The product - The pro-
07:55	$ It's a very smart, it's a very smart controller maybe $
07:57	Yeah.
07:57	Mm, okay.
07:58	$ Yeah, it's -
07:59	And with no increase in the pri- production price of the remote control?
08:01	Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.
08:03	But -
08:03	Because of this product uh this technology has already been developed. So -
08:06	Yeah, but how will you -
08:08	Yeah but the problem is how to s- you know if this is a push button controller, you can send this con- this remote control everywhere in the world, the same one. If you have the language, you have to develop for each country.
08:12	Yeah.
08:15	Yeah.
08:17	Mm.
08:18	Oh n- Yeah, yeah tha- that's why we have to do language adaptation.
08:22	Yeah, but for each country you have to do one, because uh the for example for Se- $
08:24	Yeah.
08:26	Even for each f- for even for different family we have to do d- yeah we would we have to do adaptation to -
08:30	Oh really? $ That's - $
08:33	Oh. Seems to be quite complex.
08:33	Yeah, but then w-
08:35	Yeah, we have to take care of the twelve Euros
08:35	Comple-
08:35	No, it's not so complex $.
08:38	problem.
08:38	And what about voice recognition, do we have microphones? And where will be they? Do you think if we're far from television it will work?
08:43	No no no it's not -
08:46	I think that's n- that's not a problem because you you don't have to wear a microphone. It it just - the microphone is embedded in the controller.
08:56	Yeah, but where is the controller?
08:57	Okay.
08:59	Where is the controller?
09:00	Yeah.
09:01	It's in your family, in your home. $
09:03	$
09:03	No, but then it's it's like this uh -
09:03	Yeah, but we're - here it's uh an object. But here you say you want to use i- uh s- technology.
09:07	Yeah.
09:09	Yeah you can you can embed it uh microphone here.
09:10	A microphone maybe.
09:11	Yeah, but wha- what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li- like this, if you have an object. If you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free, without any object. You just want to interact with television.
09:20	To talk to the to the T_V_ maybe.
09:24	Yeah yeah just - you just put the controller here, then you
09:28	I- if you say one, he switch to channel, yeah.
09:29	you use your command and you do s- your gesture.
09:30	#
09:32	Yeah, but you can lose it.
09:36	No no it's n- y- # - if you lose it -
09:36	$
09:39	So well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i- maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s- channel one and the t- the remote control gives the order to the T_V_ to switch to channel one.
09:42	$
09:46	Yeah.
09:47	Okay you - so you can build a kind of black box and put it on T_V_ and just to recognize gestures and voice.
09:50	Devic-
09:51	Yeah.
09:52	Yeah.
09:54	Yeah.
09:56	Yeah but so you need a camera and you know a microphone $ inside* your* remote control.
09:59	Yeah.
09:59	Ah.
10:01	But you would still have the buttons. Or is it - do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition? Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons?
10:11	I think it - we should give the uh flexibility to the user and we think - yeah. You can see - they can switch form one modality to another.
10:15	Okay, so you - yeah.
10:17	Yeah, but -
10:20	Mm.
10:21	Yeah, I dunno. It's a bit risky* risky.
10:23	Yeah.
10:24	I think so. And maybe it will be quite -
10:24	No, that's quite inter- quite attractive.
10:26	But I think that, you know, switching from one country to to another will be a problem, so - although y- y-
10:31	Well, if you do language adaptation, there should be no problem. $
10:34	# Yeah, I dunno.
10:35	Yeah but i- i- #
10:36	# Okay. #
10:43	We should have confidence in technology. $
10:46	$ Yeah, we should. $
10:49	Uh.
10:51	Hmm. So, what do you think? We'll try the controllers you'd prefer.
10:57	Mm.
10:58	What?
10:59	Which kind of controller would you prefer to use, you as a remote control user?
11:02	If if -
11:04	I mean, uh I'm sure if the user pays the same price, he's happy to have recognition. But if if if it like doubles uh
11:09	More features, yeah.
11:10	Yeah, but -
11:13	I think he need a control that is very reliable, so.
11:14	no one would would be interested.
11:17	So I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller.
11:24	Maybe try to mix the Google* controller and the fancy controller? Hmm?
11:27	$
11:28	$ Yeah. Yeah.
11:28	Just want to have something - controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller, easy to use, sophisticated and fancy.
11:37	Yeah but if if you stick to um -
11:37	You think it's possible?
11:41	stick to the first two parts. So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market? There's no k- features of our controller, so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features?
11:54	Yeah.
11:54	$ Yeah.
11:56	No, I mean -
11:57	Would y- would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that -
12:02	It's not really the - we we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet, so - or something like that. But uh I think a user need -
12:02	Y-
12:11	#
12:12	Yeah, you y- that's a fun- that's not the function of the controller, that's a function of T_V_. You can replace your T_V_ with a new T_V_ with internet browsing function, but -
12:20	No, but you need you need new remote controller then. Because if you wanna browse internet or, I don't know, if you wanna type something, or -
12:25	Don't have a - the the -
12:28	Okay.
12:28	Yeah if we can send email from it.
12:30	But it's not the - only the problem - only the issue of controller, it's it's also the issue of the T_V_.
12:32	No. No.
12:35	Because the p- the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh- what can happen in a family i- i- for example if -
12:39	Cause for example - yeah.
12:42	Yeah, but we do- we do- we we we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features to u- to use the controller, but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it, your mobile, but you when you choose a new mobile, you choose the one with voice recognition. That's - the feature is not one hundred percent reliable, but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our - from other products.
12:46	Yeah.
12:48	Yeah, but uh we want so-
12:59	Yeah, you wou- you would -
13:02	True.
13:11	Yeah, but w- we we want something th- that works* all the time, every day, every hour*, for everyone.
13:12	Yeah -
13:16	Yeah.
13:17	$
13:18	Yeah, uh -
13:18	And for all the person of the family maybe, so, yeah.
13:20	Yeah, if if if if you're if you ar- if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable, would you replace it with another one?
13:20	You don't need to tune it.
13:29	Yeah, why not? If it's -
13:31	I mean, for example the goo- y- you say we would we would to have a Google-like controller.
13:32	Because you have new -
13:35	Yeah. Yeah.
13:38	I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google.
13:46	Google is # is simple, works fine, so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic, simple and works fine, it's already a lot.
13:50	Yeah.
13:56	Yeah.
13:59	Oh yes, but there's no big difference between the traditional controller.
14:00	Uh thi- this -
14:04	I mean, the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition or - if he has something that works fine and is really # fancy, looks nice and it's easy easy to use, easy to use.
14:08	The - then nn- no. Tha-
14:14	Not too expensive too.
14:15	But the- there's there's n- there's n- not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there's no key feature in the new controller. That's the same - yeah.
14:20	See # -
14:23	That's the problem, yeah. I mean, I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever. But you have to think, the user is the one who gonna buy the product and so.
14:30	Yeah.
14:30	# Ye- #
14:35	Yeah.
14:37	Okay. So let's go to the Industrial Designer. Maybe we'll be able to take a decision after that, so.
14:37	I mean, that's the point.
14:38	$
14:40	Okay.
14:40	Okay.
14:44	Yeah.
14:44	Okay.
14:48	Two?
14:49	Yeah, participant two um -
14:51	Working?
14:52	$
14:52	Yeah, working design, so.
14:54	$
14:56	So
14:58	I think -
15:01	I can -
15:01	Can you go to the $ next one? I uh - it's not this one. It's uh oth- the oth- $ so I - It's the working design. Sorry.
15:04	Okay.
15:04	$
15:07	$
15:08	$ Component design. So this yeah - so this is the described use - What?
15:09	It's okay $
15:14	$
15:17	Are you inst-
15:19	Uh I think there's something wrong with your -
15:21	It did- didn't r- receive it. Didn't receive it.
15:22	Maybe you you record it somewhere else.
15:26	I don't think so.
15:31	Participant* one.
15:36	Participant one.
15:39	Interface concept.
15:41	No.
15:43	Hmm.
15:46	Mm mm.
15:47	Oh.
15:51	Maybe I record- recorded directly on the -
15:54	Computer.
15:56	Yeah.
15:59	Uh. #
16:01	Dunno.
16:02	Nope. # It seems that we have a problem with the -
16:04	Okay, okay. Yes.
16:07	I dunno if you remember what you had to say or -
16:10	I can say it to you without.
16:12	Yeah, so -
16:13	Yeah, maybe we can first come to
16:15	No, I think it will be more interesting to start with uh -
16:16	uh to Frahan. With Frahan, then you can prepare your slides*, then present it later.
16:19	I think it's more interesting what he says, okay.
16:21	Yeah.
16:22	$ Yeah, exac-
16:23	$
16:23	You will had s- some more information in - I think it will be interesting after your presentation to have um Baba's presentation.
16:23	Okay.
16:27	Yeah.
16:28	Yeah, true.
16:30	$ Yeah. In fact, I don't know, I s- because i- in my presentation I don't have here with $ so - It was in fact the design use to show you the design of what is inside a- what is inside and what are the different component of the r-
16:31	Okay. $
16:32	So.
16:33	Okay.
16:37	$
16:37	Okay, never mind.
16:42	Okay.
16:45	$
16:47	of the remote control. So it will be interesting so I could show you some some picture of what is inside and - so.
16:49	Okay.
16:54	Okay.
16:58	So I - in fact the the - f- something I want to discuss is which kind of material* are we going to use, so will - it will be wooden wooden di- wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one. So and # in which which which kind will be the the different bu- button, so it can be some, you know, classic pushbutton like this one, or you have also some button like L_C_D_ where you know, the button the buttons are unlighted during the night, or, you know, you can see them in the darkness. And
17:05	Mm-hmm.
17:23	Mm-hmm.
17:32	Mm-hmm.
17:32	Mm-hmm.
17:36	Okay.
17:38	Okay.
17:40	the other thing I want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation, electric* alimentation do you want to have, so will it be for example uh d- uh solar energy alimentation or will it be a battery like the classical battery so. And I think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have
17:52	Uh-huh.
18:02	uh both of them, so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from, you know, the cities uh for example in some place in in S- Senegal, so if you have electric- if you have solar alimentation, you just, when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come and - so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con- It can be something interesting to make people buy it, for example. Yeah.
18:11	Mm-hmm.
18:18	Mm-hmm.
18:35	Yeah, I think it's an added value to the remote control and maybe it can attract all the ecological k- yeah consumers and but about the the price of adding this solar battery, would it be something really that will increase the price of production more, no?
18:38	Yeah, yeah mm.
18:41	Ecologists, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:42	Yeah.
18:44	Yeah.
18:51	#
18:54	Alrigh-
18:55	In fact, having them both will - if we want to have battery, regular battery and and # the solar energy battery it could be - it'll* it will add a little bit of the price, but it will be an added value also that will be compensated, so hmm.
19:08	So.
19:11	Yeah.
19:12	Okay.
19:16	And what tha- what about the uh
19:19	materials?
19:20	And the materials, it depends for example you - if you have a wooden material it can be more - the plastic material is more common it's very resistant but, you know, something wooden will be like, I don't know high cl- so a special high class, or you know, you can have some -
19:29	Impersonal, mm-hmm.
19:34	Special for -
19:34	Yeah.
19:37	Mm-hmm.
19:37	Yeah, and i- if you - we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood.
19:42	Mm-hmm.
19:42	Yeah, even if it is not completely wood, but just a part of the, you know, will be wooden, in wood and it can be interesting.
19:43	Yeah.
19:46	Mm-hmm.
19:47	Mm.
19:50	Mm okay, seems to be interesting, mm.
19:51	And so the last point is y- also would do you want to have some very cheap
20:00	integrated cir- circuits, chips, or do you have low level or or very very expensive, it depends, but I think that low level will be, you know, it is an interim module.
20:11	Yeah, we want something easy to use and - so I think maybe something very low level wou- would be enough.
20:13	Yeah.
20:16	Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
20:18	And you think that we will be -
20:20	Yeah, I think it will fit on the price we want, twel- twelve Euros, so.
20:22	Okay.
20:23	So wood. And what about the buttons?
20:23	@
20:26	I think the buttons I pr- I prefer, you know, the L_C_D_ you know # lighted buttons because, you know, it's - I don't know $ um yeah, in the dark, it's fashion and it's related to how beautiful it is or uh if you want to watch T_V_ in the darkness or if you want to lo- find* your find* your your remote control that is lost, you know in the darkness it's very easy so, right.
20:35	No it's fashion, yeah.
20:52	What about the touch scr- touch screen? For example. It's it's expensive I I guess.
20:59	# I think a touch screen #
21:04	will be t- as expensive as the L_C_D_ buttons so. But - And it is a kind of other design, I mean. It can also be interesting to have this kind of -
21:07	Mm.
21:10	Yeah.
21:14	#
21:17	So you got email?
21:19	I dunno. # I think we have only $ # uh five minutes left. Participant four? Functional requirements?
21:26	Okay.
21:31	Uh no, trend watching.
21:34	% The other one. %
21:39	This one?
21:40	Yeah. Uh, I think so, just -
21:44	Yeah, so just to meet the user requirements I would just do a s- short anal- analysis of the remote control market and to kind of um
21:58	have a better overview of what's the fashion in general I've checked more than only the remote control market, so next.
22:07	$
22:09	So again, it's pretty much similar to what I've said in the previous meeting. Um user really really want a fancy look and feel. They're not so so interested in uh functional look and feel, okay. Like the one you've shown, David, with all the buttons and - I mean # i- i- it sounds good technically but it's it's not what they want and uh -
22:22	Mm.
22:25	Mm.
22:31	So, second point is they still want it it to be technologically innovative, so maybe it's sort of related to what you've said with the speech recognition and so on.
22:41	Okay.
22:41	At the same time, it's important that it's easy to use.
22:45	So that were the three first points from the remote control uh analysis. Now i- if we look at fashion in general um -
22:50	@
22:55	Okay.
22:57	Wha- what we really see this year is that uh everything from clothes* to shoes and furniture is is inspired by fruits and vegetables, okay, so I think we really have to take this into account for the design of the the thing.
23:08	Ah yes.
23:13	Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.
23:15	'Cause it's it's really what people want. Even if it's in general fashion, we want it to be in the remote control.
23:22	And then uh if if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points, fancy look and feel has, on a score of seven would have six as importance. Uh the remote control has to be technologically innovative, it's three. Then easy to use uh it's not so important actually with respect to other y- other ones. So we see fancy look an- look and feel is the most important one, and then if we combine this with the fashion uh from Milan and Paris
23:45	Okay.
23:53	And fruit and vegetables* yeah.
23:55	we go to the fruits and vede- vegetables. And the other point I haven't mention is people wan- want to have a spongy touch, okay so this is this maybe doesn't really fit with the wooden design.
24:02	$ Spongy $ 'Kay.
24:08	Okay, yeah, yeah.
24:09	I dunno.
24:10	Yeah, but the problem* is which kind of material* do you need to to be spongy?
24:15	Yeah thi- this is this would be like um
24:18	Pla-
24:18	plastic-like, but rubber, mayb- maybe, you know, rubber-like uh
24:18	S-
24:20	Very stuff - Okay, rubber rubber desi- okay, yeah. Yeah.
24:25	device, so um
24:28	Yeah.
24:28	Okay, tha- tha- that was the main point, I think, from the trend
24:33	in fashion.
24:34	Okay.
24:35	So we have to take decisions about the component concepts, about the energy. So, # as you say you want something technologically innovative, maybe using solar energy and - with battery would be something interesting, maybe will attract
24:45	Yeah.
24:47	Solar.
24:48	Yeah, so when I think it's -
24:49	Okay.
24:56	Mm-hmm.
24:56	Yeah.
24:58	It will be a -
24:58	pro-ecology consumers. Uh cheap imprint so you s- you propose low level chips would be uh enough to have something working well.
25:00	Yeah.
25:08	Yeah, I think # -
25:11	Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
25:14	Case.
25:16	Later? $
25:22	So you think @ case.
25:26	Something spongy. $ Someth- no wood.
25:27	$
25:27	$
25:27	$
25:29	$ No wood but - Plastic?
25:30	Maybe not no wood, but I mean ma- maybe not the part you touching you know.
25:32	Would some -
25:34	Pla-
25:35	Maybe you -
25:35	I think we can have wood for example in the bottom and, you know. It depends on the design we want, so.
25:38	Yeah, maybe the base.
25:40	But still y-
25:40	It's it's natural.
25:42	Yeah, it's natural and i-
25:42	Yeah.
25:42	Th- The feeling is natural, so maybe we can stay with wood.
25:46	And it can be correlated to energy, solar energy, so for the marketing aspect, you know, saying that it's ecol-
25:50	Yeah, I mean it's not exactly right for the spongy point of view.
25:54	Mm, yeah, it's not right, so.
25:56	But it's still fashion.
25:57	But we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons, or I dunno.
26:02	Okay.
26:02	Yeah, something that you can # into it.
26:04	Yeah.
26:06	Uh and what about the user interface concept?
26:11	# Google and -
26:12	Google* and fancy?
26:13	and fancy, f- how about the the voice? $ And #
26:16	Because I think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some
26:21	disadvantages with this.
26:23	Uh yes.
26:23	Uh maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they're interested and how -
26:30	# It It is an an interesting concept to see - to have uh voice control.
26:34	Yeah.
26:35	Yeah.
26:37	Yeah. The smart controller. $
26:38	Mm.
26:39	Yeah. But - and the problem is I I'm we can infer i- if you have v- voice control why not to put it directly on the the T_V_, so speak directly to the T_V_ and you don't need a remote control actually, so.
26:52	# Yeah, but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice.
26:56	But it will be embedded on the T_V_ and not on the remote control, so.
26:59	That's true.
26:59	Yeah - d-
27:01	Okay.
27:02	I dunno.
27:02	So maybe we'll just focus on the Google* controller plus the fancy controller, maybe try to mix them these two concepts together, just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with lev- low level chips and wood.
27:05	Mm.
27:13	Yeah.
27:19	It's good.
27:20	And L_C_D_ buttons.
27:23	Yeah, L_C_D_.
27:38	Yeah, I think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add.
27:46	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:50	And pf- what can we think a supplement to -
27:55	What interface?
27:56	Yeah, for the interface something - added value.
28:01	I think the supplement can be the voice #. It is just, you know, it is not the most important, but
28:07	it can be a part of -
28:10	With a module? You mean the remote control with a mur- module if you want you can just use
28:15	Yeah, yeah.
28:17	commands, words and use them when you don't want to use your fingers.
28:18	Yeah. Mm.
28:20	Mm-hmm.
28:22	To push button, yeah, yeah. Even it is for s- just some kids, you know, switching* channels one two three four. Yeah, turning # - yeah, yeah. Not very complex commands, but easy commands, so.
28:29	Turning the T_V_ o- on o- or off.
28:34	So, adding some vocal commands.
28:37	Yeah.
28:40	Simple ones?
28:41	Yeah, simple ones for -
28:44	Okay.
28:47	# So the next meeting will start in thirty meeti- minutes # so # we'll - you will all have to work in
28:59	in your direction. So you will have to work on the look and feel design, to have the easy to use, powerful and fancy remote control with some added value such as the uh simple vocal commands recognition. Uh you will have to work more, Baba, on the um spongy way to to add spongy um touch to the buttons $ and try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control.
29:07	Yeah.
29:11	$
29:11	Yep.
29:18	Yeah.
29:26	$ expensive buttons @ $ Yeah, to make some new -
29:35	$ Yeah.
29:37	# And I sup- I think we'll have to evaluate th- the product too.
29:41	Yeah, no- not forgetting about the fruits and vegetables trends.
29:44	Yeah.
29:44	Okay, fruits.
29:46	Yeah.
29:47	If possible.
29:48	Okay.
29:49	And remember as as I said last meeting, we really have to build a fashion remote control and uh the colour of the um the society will be really - it will be seen in the remote control. So you will have - Baba and David Jordan you will have to work together on the prototype and you will have next time to show us um modelling a cl- a clay remote control, so you will have to model model something.
30:03	Need it to be, okay.
30:12	Yeah.
30:17	#
30:20	$ Okay.
30:20	Okay. Yep
30:23	And I think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach.
30:29	Okay.
30:30	Okay.
30:30	So, no more questions, we can close the session.
30:33	Hmm.
30:33	Sounds good, mm-hmm.
30:34	Okay.
30:34	Yeah. Okay, cool.
30:35	Okay.

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