00:12	Right first time this time.
00:16	Nu-
00:20	There we go.
00:24	It's not that complicated, but I get it wrong every time.
00:30	$
00:58	Okay so we are just waiting for Matthew @.
01:01	For Matthew, yep.
01:02	Mm.
01:17	Uh -
01:34	So I suggest we start the meeting uh without Matthew uh he's uh obviously late for some reason.
01:37	Mm-hmm.
01:38	Mm 'kay.
01:45	% Good.
01:48	Um.
01:50	Today uh we will uh talk about uh conceptual design.
01:54	I hope uh you both did some uh some work uh
01:57	Mm-hmm.
01:59	concerning a uh conceptual design. Um this will be the uh agenda for
02:07	the meeting uh @. Uh I will
02:11	take some minutes uh again. Um we will have the presentations of y- of you different team members, and then try to come to decisions uh about the concepts uh you have presented.
02:13	Mm-hmm.
02:18	Yep.
02:19	Yep.
02:27	Mm-hmm.
02:27	So and that uh will uh - we have some uh forty minutes uh to complete this uh.
02:32	Mm-hmm.
02:34	So um who has the fir- do you ha- Anna do you have your presentation ready?
02:38	I have a presentation, I'm just making this -
02:39	Yeah I think - # yeah the - Matthew it is it's important that Matthew yeah is here because
02:40	Okay.
02:45	Ah there is Matthew.
02:47	it's really a a team uh project with a team and if someone is not here then we cannot - but it's okay $ it's good. $
02:52	Sorry.
02:59	Okay I'll just email you this file, my presentation.
03:04	So.
03:07	Good.
03:14	Do @ presentation ready?
03:15	Mm-hmm I'm just emailing it to you.
03:16	Oh okay.
03:17	$
03:26	So -
03:28	So did you manage uh -
03:30	Yeah I sent you the slides, you didn't see them?
03:33	Oh yes I see him, good yes.
03:34	Okay.
03:36	@.
03:37	No.
03:38	# So -
03:42	#
03:46	'Kay.
04:03	Okay it should've gone through to you.
04:05	#
04:06	Okay mm yes I have it.
04:10	#
04:13	Mm-hmm.
04:15	Okay so this is just a presentation on uh the trends that we're gonna use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment. Um can I just put this on?
04:31	So we have to work out a way - what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people wanna buy it.
04:38	Um.
04:39	This is - to do this I will not remove* my microphone.
04:45	#
04:47	We basically used um some focus group surveys which I went through with you last time, the main results of that, and um some research on the current design um and fashion trends that are out there at the moment um, and as part of this -
05:00	#
05:06	The important aspects that came out were things that we've already discussed really. The most important by far was the look and feel of it. It needs to be something that's very different from everything else out there. It needs to stand out %. It needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment. Most people find remote controls boring at the moment, we need to have something that looks interesting, that looks exciting, that will stand out. People will wanna buy it. Um -
05:31	That was twice as i- important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative - has to have something else, apart from just the look of it. People have to then think about it and say @ got something there that I want. That's a really cool feature, and it has to make them wanna buy it again.
05:47	Third on the list, and again innovative was twice as important as this last um aspect, it has to be easy to use. So they have to be able to - be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it um.
06:02	Drawing on the fashion trends at the moment, uh fruit and vegetables um. This is basically talking about just the the feel of it, so probably not the smell of it, but the bright colours, um eye-catching, really bold designs, and a spongy feel. Um I had a talk to the design people about this, but having a remote that's tactile, that feels different, that would be really cool. That would make it stand out. Um.
06:09	$
06:14	Mm.
06:17	Mm-hmm.
06:17	Mm.
06:27	Hmm.
06:29	So can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said?
06:33	Spongy feel?
06:33	Uh about the feeling yeah uh yo-
06:36	# You can -
06:36	Well ma- make it not necessar- sp- spongy is the current thing. Spongy is the current texture, but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all, so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something, that'll be something that sets it apart, rather than just bare plastic which they all are at the moment.
06:51	Okay.
06:52	Mm.
06:57	Yeah.
06:58	Okay.
06:59	So as far as the design goes, the very most important aspect was the design, to the customers. So going with the fruit and vegetable idea, we've got the bright colours, so makes it stand out, the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colours, part of the fruit and vegetables um.
07:20	Going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones, they've all got those - a lot of them have the changeable covers, so they can choose what colour the outside is. That's one way of looking at it um.
07:32	Textured feel we just talked about. Maybe it's another way of doing that. So if it's part of the the changeable covers then may- maybe they can choose a different texture, a spongy one or a soft one or something like that. So they can choose it li- as they want to to maybe - to fit in with their decor in their living room, or just what they like, their sports team or whatever. Um and yeah, still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so
07:34	Mm-hmm.
07:45	Yeah that's a very good idea, yeah.
07:50	Yeah.
07:57	functionality, the way the mobile phones work, the way the keypad looks. Also just the way that a lot of industrial design is going into mobile phones at the moment. They're big selling items. People put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that, and we can start using some of their ideas.
08:16	Um back to technological in- in- innovation, not quite as important, but still a big issue. Um we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it's been lost, uh that's one thing we could look at. There are other aspects like L_C_D_ screens and speech recognition which weren't -
08:35	I don't think, in my personal opinion, gonna be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them. I think we're better doing something basic like this which is very important and very - will be a really cool feature to put in.
08:40	Mm-hmm.
08:47	And -
08:49	@ use. I had no real specific* ideas for this, maybe we just, the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe, by themselves, and then - yeah - and then th- th- the finer details of buttons you don't use as much either hidden away or completely separate.
08:58	Mm.
08:59	Yes well maybe Matthew can can give some more information on the -
09:01	Yeah.
09:07	Mm.
09:08	Voila.
09:09	Yep # and that's the presentation.
09:11	Okay good, that's very clear.
09:12	Yeah very clear.
09:13	Yeah.
09:15	'Kay.
09:17	Um.
09:17	So does anyone have any comments or ideas on that? I think you -
09:18	Uh -
09:20	Maybe we yes well we maybe # can decide later on um # the l- the the look and feel of uh I've - it was a good idea maybe to to -
09:35	To let the people choose, @ you mean? Yeah.
09:37	Yes the the the there are changeable covers*, but on the other hand I I don't know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because # you have to introduce a complete uh uh new l- line of uh of supplies uh it would be uh very complicated uh organisational -
09:53	Hmm.
09:54	%
09:57	Well we're selling so many units of this. This is gonna be a mass marketed product, we can afford to have two or three different designs at least.
10:00	Hmm. Mm-hmm.
10:02	Yeah a range of uh yeah, a set of three, four different aspects.
10:04	Yes.
10:05	Mm mm.
10:07	Mm-hmm.
10:08	Sure that fits the # -
10:09	Yes @ and of course it will be a we we get a - if it works we can get uh after-sales I mean that would @ would be very good I mean those covers could go for for three, five Euro #.
10:16	Mm.
10:18	Yeah.
10:22	Mm.
10:24	That's a very good idea um -
10:28	And then uh
10:31	maybe uh we can go a th- Matthew's presentation because
10:35	Yeah s- then we could discuss later like - we can put all ideas together.
10:36	Mm-hmm.
10:36	the -
10:40	Together indeed* uh, because you ma- might have some some information on the the easy to use, what you were already mentioning.
10:41	Mm.
10:41	Yeah yeah I agree.
10:41	It should be easier with that.
10:45	Yeah.
10:45	Mm-hmm, yeah.
10:46	Yeah.
10:47	So -
10:47	And your part is very related to mine because when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside.
10:49	Yeah.
10:51	Yeah so $ I'll I'll go with that actually so um # -
10:55	Mm-hmm.
11:10	Okay so m- so # then the the idea of uh having a remote is generally* you have uh different keys and uh different structures, different forms, and uh they could be like buttons or like @ and um they could be of uh a varying sizes if you want to to uh basically emphasize a particular key more than the other, and uh maybe like you can have different colours for example having the r- red for the on off switching on and off the button.
11:54	So this this is the general* trend to ha- the method they do. # So what I have found was that uh currently* uh the @ they are mostly that the T_V_, V_C_R_, music system operated ones actually, and they are very specific to each other, but there are some common keys for example if you want to follow the V_C_R_ and if you want to follow the uh g- uh s- some uh soundtrack* on the w- w- see they have the common thing actually you can have and uh # -
11:56	Yeah.
11:56	Mm-hmm.
12:28	Mm.
12:32	There is also um a speech recognition to store channel information, names, like - You can basically - if you have a multiple functionality, say T_V_, V_C_R_ or something I say it to the T_V_ and the @ T_V_, and you can programme the keys if you want to, certain keys are even the channel information #.
12:44	Mm.
12:54	Mm. I like the idea though of having speech recognition for like the n- the name of a channel like B_B_C_, rather than having to remember the the number of it on the keypad. That's a good idea.
13:01	Yeah yeah so you you you can just uh because uh as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the v- v- exact channel numbers ex- exactly, even if you arrange it by - however you arrange it, you still have the problem to remember exactly which channel you want to -
13:10	@.
13:11	Mm.
13:13	Yeah.
13:17	Hmm.
13:19	Mm. Yeah I really like that idea.
13:20	So what functionalities do you suggest for that?
13:24	So it it it's like it @ limited one. In the present market I saw it that says something like they are looking for # eighty word thing, eighty word, which shouldn't be th- that difficult to implement, like eighty to hundred word. Basically you want you don't want to store all the channels in the remote control, you want to st- store your favourite channel. Yeah some ten twelve channel information. You know you don't want to st- store all the hundred channel information into that.
13:25	For facing this problem?
13:36	Mm-hmm.
13:46	Mm.
13:49	Maybe ten channels, yeah at the most.
13:52	Okay.
13:55	Mm.
13:57	And uh basically uh it depends like the remote with L_C_D_ display* for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie, and uh uh you are # having a universal remote control and you want to uh you don't know really which functionality is @ now, so I am using the T_V_ so
14:20	every time I use it, it could be like, for example I can use a simple toggle switch, and a display, so I press it so the display says, okay, I'm in T_V_ or D_V_D_ or whatever it is, instead of having three keys separately for four keys, to model the functionalities will increase actually, and for you and you might want $ you don't want separate keys for all of them. You can't.
14:32	Mm-hmm.
14:32	Mm-hmm.
14:34	Oh yeah yeah yeah mm.
14:37	Mm.
14:38	Mm.
14:42	Mm.
14:45	And uh well there can be children friendly where you can programme your remote so that they they are not allowed uh to browse certain channels which you can block them, and you can operate them. So these are the things presently which are seen in the market scenarios at present*.
15:00	Mm-hmm.
15:05	I personally would look at # things like having a u- universal remote, is uh um is a good idea, like instead of having @ unusual* ones for all of them you can think of having, um with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition. I got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that uh they have uh integrated the s- speech recognition into a into the coffee machine, and so if you say hello coffee machine, it say hi Joe, or something like that, you know, and uh -
15:20	Mm-hmm.
15:32	$
15:39	Mm b-
15:44	But a coffee machine, there's not too many words they'd be using with that it's a it's a small vocabulary.
15:45	# Yeah you you won't be using it, so it's a limited vocabulary mm thing*, and very isolated word and it's uh it is interesting, and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys, on the display for the browsing which is again - and maybe having something like a blinking thing, like uh it could indicate you're uh - it it could indicate what is cal- like the uh whether uh you you have enough battery in your in your uh remote, the blinking. At the same time, if it's a dark room, it can be used to locate the remote also # @ or -
15:49	Mm.
15:52	Mm.
16:03	Mm.
16:20	Mm.
16:25	Yeah.
16:33	#
16:34	And you want okay - for coming back to one point y- you want to let the user to programming the keys? Some of them?
16:36	Two thirty five supposed to finish.
16:42	Yeah you can let them to do that.
16:43	And uh isn't that too difficult for the - we want w- I don't know if we still want the um R_C_ to be easy to use, that's the @ compromise.
16:51	Hmm.
16:52	N- no but the - if you give - it d- depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put. Like for example uh I would like to store in certain way, so if you want to give the full freedom to the user or you want to keep some constraints and let the user use it with that constraint. So it de-
16:56	Yeah.
16:59	Hmm.
17:05	Mm.
17:06	Yeah.
17:08	Yeah.
17:10	Mm.
17:12	Yeah.
17:12	I think you can do it both ways. You can have it so it's easy @ they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anythi- without customizing it, or if they want to they have the option of using these extra features.
17:17	A standard.
17:18	Yeah.
17:22	Um yes but but I do- # - maybe you can # give a hand to us because I I'm not sure whether that that we can implement that for twelve Euro and fifty cents. I'm sorry to have -
17:23	So -
17:23	Yeah.
17:34	# So -
17:34	Hmm.
17:35	# Every time I have to come down on this price again to # so this might be a little limiting for your creativity, but it's it's it's the real -
17:38	Hmm.
17:44	Hmm.
17:48	# We have to consider it. S- so # do we think these ideas # an- and my uh sp- speech recognition, I mean maybe it's possible for for twelve Euro but* then then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the uh uh the the the furry uh # uh case of the -
17:50	Yeah.
18:03	Mm.
18:10	Hmm.
18:10	Mm-hmm yeah like # I would say that for programming uh keys, you said, uh it could be uh easily uh done within the the package of twel- twelve Euros, but for the A_S_R_ system, uh I'm not sure if it's feasible to have this or -
18:16	Yeah.
18:22	Mm.
18:23	Yeah.
18:28	We- well we can still look at - we can talk with the coffee unit and you can uh check how much how much they - # yeah yeah yeah.
18:31	We-
18:32	#
18:34	Exactly yeah i- if if it's a low vocabulary it's already implemented, and w- how much it's cost, maybe with a f- cheap chip.
18:38	Mm.
18:40	Maybe we can come # we we can talk to them, and we can come with that, you know. And also well you can think of having uh since you have a - you know something @ maybe if you added little bit of @ display, you might need the - to che- keep checking the battery, so you really* need a some # kind of indicator, so it could be a blinking option of L_E_D_ # it could actually be used to detect also. If it's in a dark room you can basically detect it also.
18:42	Mm mm.
18:45	Yeah.
18:58	Hmm.
19:02	Hmm.
19:03	Yeah.
19:06	Mm.
19:08	Hmm.
19:08	Yeah #.
19:08	Hmm.
19:09	So -
19:09	Mm.
19:09	I like the idea too of being able to use the remote in the dark, so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or if they if they light up or something.
19:15	No actually # i- if i- it is like - you know it tells you um, it can be for two purposes, like if you have an L_C_D_ display and all those things it's not going to be the standard remote, which is having uh which need just uh six six volt uh th- sorry three volts um of D_C_.
19:21	Mm.
19:24	Mm.
19:27	Hmm.
19:31	Mm.
19:36	It may need more actually, so y- you you may need to check your battery usage it - and then you need that, some functionality to indicate the battery limit. And then if the battery limit is indicated, if it could be ind- indicated through a blinking something and it can change the colour depending on your uh - how much is the battery, well that is good enough to even locate even if you want to.
19:42	Mm.
19:45	It's true.
19:45	Hmm.
19:51	Mm.
20:01	Mm-hmm.
20:02	You know.
20:03	@.
20:03	'Kay good.
20:04	Yeah so -
20:05	I don't know how if if I have time to talk about the -
20:07	Mm yes um I would -
20:08	You you have time some more? Yep.
20:11	Yes yes you can you can still. We have time.
20:13	$ Okay.
20:13	$ Sure you can you know $.
20:13	$
20:23	So what I'm gonna present here is very uh um yeah basic knowledge about the all the the components that are inside a a R_C_ a remote control, and how is it manufactured h- what is the process, just to explain you. So the method is - ther- there is a a set of components in a in a remote control like @, and uh what cost - the the components in themself* do not cost a lot but the the way to assemble everything costs obviously, and I will uh show you my preferences uh uh at the end.
20:39	Mm-hmm.
21:10	So there are two uh different types of uh um -
21:15	Nice. #
21:16	Two different ways of using the the components for making a a remote control. Uh the basic way is to use a an integrated circuit and some uh transistors with an @ that aims at communicating uh uh the message and to to send the message to the um to the led that will uh transmit to the receiver. And uh yeah the other components and the circuit board @ buttons, infrared $, led, etcetera, for the components um.
21:17	Hmm.
21:53	So you @ finding, just to say that the chip can detect uh when a key is pressed, and then it translate to the key, to a sequence, something like morse code, as you know, uh with a different sequence for each key, and uh uh that's, with the components we will use, we will have different uh messages, different sequences, and the chips sends that signal* signal to the transistor that amplify to make it stronger um.
22:05	Mm-hmm.
22:05	Mm-hmm.
22:27	So electronic parts are assembled onto uh printed boards uh because it's easier to mass produce and assemble. And uh so I think # for our design we want some b- uh programmable* uh you know V_ V_L_S_I_ or F_P_G_A_ uh high technology, and this is important, and also we'll use uh yeah like in any uh high-tech uh devices a chip of fi- fibreglass to @ them and connect them.
22:46	Yeah mm mm-hmm.
22:59	Mm-hmm.
23:04	So my personal design # we need to find a solution what um what is the material of the cover we want to use. If it's plastic or you said that yeah you had some ideas uh like fruit, veg or $ I dunno. $ Yes.
23:17	Mm.
23:23	Well well m- m- maybe m- maybe we can give the uh the uh the case a very uh uh normal a v- very normal case but, with the changeable covers to fancy it up. So like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in, for instance, a wooden case. I mean just what -
23:23	$
23:26	%
23:33	Yes.
23:35	Mm-hmm.
23:39	Mm-hmm.
23:39	Yeah.
23:39	Yes.
23:42	Mm just have a yeah -
23:43	Yeah like they do in with cars I think. Yeah inside the car yeah. So they also emailed me that uh they have # available a bunch of different buttons, a scroll wheels, integrated push buttons s- such as a @ computer mouse. And uh very cheap L_C_D_s, so liquid crystal displays, so I'm wondering, I think we might be able to integrate L_C_D_ into our R_C_.
23:45	Just the veneer on it, yeah.
24:02	Yeah.
24:14	And the final point okay is um we have - yeah there are some uh compromise to to do. So we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip, but the scroll wheel uh and that kind of higher high-tech stuff needs more money um which is a higher price range alright. And the display requires an advanced chip, which in turns is more expensive than the regular chip, but # I think uh with twelve Euros um and if it's uh uh made for mm four million uh items, then I think w- we could be able to handle that. So to # to sum up um
24:23	Hmm.
24:56	Mm-hmm.
25:07	we need # yeah so I I just said that the components uh the list of components uh has to be uh yeah listed and um and um assembly is a an important process that has to be taken into account. And uh for the designing of the cove- uh uh cover layout then it's better to to to maybe see that with uh the the U_R_ exp- U_R_I_ Expert so that we can - it's really a team-working uh. So I I cannot design something without your agreement, right?
25:26	Sorry.
25:26	Mm.
25:36	Mm.
25:40	Yeah so of course for example uh I wanted to know like if you want to have a a fo- if you want to have the L_C_D_ display over there, or if you want to store a programmes with a keys -
25:40	No of course.
25:50	Yes.
25:57	What kind of things you'll need inside your thin- inside -
26:02	W- wh- what -
26:02	Yeah it's kind of um simple @ pro- progra- programmable device, and we have to insert. I think we could insert one that could underlie several functions of -
26:04	W- what -
26:08	Okay.
26:10	Okay.
26:14	Okay so in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the @ card.
26:20	Exactly yeah, for customizing and yeah.
26:21	Yeah where they do all the wi- with with them actually. How f- cost effective it would be to put that car- chip into it and do the programmable things.
26:24	Okay.
26:30	Yeah.
26:30	So -
26:31	Yeah good idea.
26:32	So I f- I think we we should come to some decisions* now uh a- about this. Um so I understand uh when we want a display we need a expensive chip, but when we want a scrolling wheel w- we also need the expensive chip, so can we use same* chip, so with one expensive chip
26:36	# Yeah. $
26:56	we can uh implement several complicated* uh or advanced features*.
27:02	Exactly yeah that's a very good idea, we could have uh one main chip uh that could handle, uh it's called F_P_G_A_ chip, that could handle both uh like scrolling wheels as well as uh L_C_D_ and yeah.
27:03	Yes.
27:07	Mm-hmm.
27:10	Mm-hmm.
27:10	Mm-hmm.
27:19	So when the more expensive* chip you mentioned there is is possible in the in the given budget, uh maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip, so all features uh which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip.
27:34	Yes.
27:35	D- well # -
27:37	Do you think that's feasible?
27:40	Well I don't know if it'll fit into our cost of twelve* point five Euro you know.
27:43	Uh -
27:45	You th- you think it's possible.
27:46	Is it possible to fit in to that?
27:47	Yeah also thinking, I think both uh - if we had a budget of twenty twenty uh Euros, it will be okay, but uh -
27:52	Sorry.
27:55	Hmm.
27:58	Well maybe we need specific* costings then. Actually do maybe two designs and then cost them out and see which one is gonna fit in our budget better.
27:58	@.
28:07	Yeah that's an excellent idea.
28:07	Mm yes wh- when you make a # a design ca- you can # - next meeting you can give an quite an exact cost price. That w- that would be a very good idea.
28:15	Yeah yeah. Yeah because right now I don't have @ price in in head but for next meeting I'm sure yeah be able to do that.
28:17	Mm.
28:20	Mm.
28:22	Good good.
28:23	Yeah that's uh that's something which I wanted to ask you also, like what will be the each individually* the cost of it. For example if f- if you want to put wood - I wouldn't suggest for wood uh @ 'cause it's - I think it's m-
28:29	Yeah.
28:34	Okay.
28:38	much easier to use a plastic or a rubber @ rather than wood. It will be much ch- much expensive th- though it's the most natural thing, but $ -
28:40	I agree on that. Yeah.
28:41	Mm.
28:48	Yes but I can I think uh I think we can just use more cheap plastic for a kind of basic edition, and then people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials which which come with a with another price.
28:57	Yeah.
28:57	Hmm.
28:59	# Yeah it's uh -
29:03	# Yeah we we can give a preference to them, but it is @ but with plastic or the rubber or whatever it is - it's much better with that rather than going for -
29:16	Do do you agree?
29:17	Yeah but i- it's a detailed uh yeah yeah uh plastic versus uh wood, and we need maybe to centre our description on uh the the really the what buttons what uh functionality we want to offer to the user, and maybe with uh # graphs or I don't know uh - @ User Interface Designer you could maybe uh help us on that.
29:17	Mm yeah sure.
29:20	Yeah.
29:32	Yeah.
29:42	Ma- I I think uh for next meeting we c- # you two can present a real design.
29:47	Yeah.
29:49	Yea-
29:51	Mm-hmm.
29:51	Okay.
29:52	Uh so drawing it on the board.
29:54	Perfect yeah.
29:55	And then we now sh- only have to t- to decide* the general function uh.
30:01	So um -
30:06	Let let's say next meeting w- # you produce two designs, one one
30:08	# Yeah sure.
30:12	Yeah we will uh -
30:13	one less advanced and one more advanced and with the cost price.
30:15	Yeah.
30:15	Yeah.
30:16	Mm.
30:18	Uh.
30:18	Uh furthermore we go for the for the uh basic plastic case which can be later uh fancied up with uh
30:28	with addit- uh additional uh, how do you call them, these like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it. But that that that that can be done later. We now can concentrate on the on the basic remote control.
30:35	Mm.
30:36	Yeah.
30:38	Yeah customized.
30:38	@.
30:41	Mm.
30:43	Okay # @.
30:43	Um.
30:47	We can give them smooth keys, you know.
30:51	Smooth keys
30:53	with bigger s- uh -
30:56	So that you know -
30:58	The the problem most of the time we've* seen, the keys is that it's small, and every time we have to be very - but if i- the - if we if we go to a different ways of designing those keys, then you can merge them together to -
31:02	Yeah.
31:03	Mm.
31:13	So is there any of these that you're looking at particularly or is this just ideas?
31:15	Oh you can actually, for example, if you see, they are they are they are quite small over here, and uh # now you can, for example, as I was @ if you make them big, it may change the look of the thing also to the people. At the same time, it is m- more uh like it would be more interesting for people who are having this R_S_I_ and all @ problem. Uh big keys may better @ for them actually and uh -
31:20	Mm-hmm.
31:24	Hmm.
31:28	Mm.
31:30	Mm.
31:31	Mm-hmm.
31:37	Mm yeah.
31:38	Yes yes yes bi- big keys is is good thing I think.
31:40	You see?
31:42	I agree yeah, and not too m- too many keys of course yeah.
31:43	Yeah.
31:45	No no.
31:45	Mm well one I've had before, a r- r- remote control we have at home is one that's actually got a cover on the bottom so the bottom bit is just, covers half the keys most of the time, and then you can slide the cover back to get to the the more advanced keys.
31:46	Yeah.
31:54	Mm mm mm.
31:57	Mm w- but then you have still have uh when you don't @ use it you have such a a an extent of your remote control which you don't use. So maybe it's possible uh, I don't know whether you can can indicate this, that you can elsewhere open your remote control and on the inside are uh buttons you don't use that much.
31:59	Yeah.
32:07	Mm.
32:13	Yeah.
32:15	Mm.
32:17	Yeah.
32:19	Um yeah I've seen that before too. Anoth- another like b- it flips up and then you've got another layer of buttons* underneath.
32:21	Yeah.
32:24	Yes.
32:24	Yes.
32:26	Yeah so it's something like this, the model here s- @ you can put the keys -
32:29	Mm.
32:29	Mm.
32:31	But I've seen also with keys and buttons on the top of here as well.
32:31	That's what you mean?
32:34	Yes I I th- that's what I mean so I mean something
32:34	Yeah. Yeah.
32:39	like like a book.
32:40	I like this one. I like the shape of this one.
32:40	#
32:42	Yeah.
32:43	Can we have - can we think about maybe having a a non-recta- non- non-rectangular* one, so with not just the straight little box that's a - maybe curved or something.
32:44	Yeah I like also this one.
32:51	Yeah, the point is w- maybe we need to also to make a decision on how how how big we want to be and how many buttons like n- we should # dec- decide numbers or -
32:51	Yeah, mm.
33:00	Mm mm 'kay. Is this for the next meeting though? I think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting.
33:01	We should make a -
33:03	# Mm.
33:05	Yeah that - yeah next meeting we should be # -
33:07	Okay.
33:07	Ju- just make two designs,
33:08	Yeah that would depend upon us actually.
33:09	Yeah yeah yeah.
33:10	and the we we can decide* decide between th- those designs.
33:13	Yep.
33:14	Yeah okay.
33:15	I think that would be a good idea. So anyone uh any questions for now?
33:16	Perfect.
33:17	#
33:20	No no.
33:21	No.
33:23	I don't have.
33:23	So is* this - is there anything else I need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting?
33:27	Um yes I come to that uh uh -
33:31	Maybe it would be interesting if you could look um
33:35	for the cost inventories of other devices, if you're using speech recognition or something like that.
33:45	Yes well m- maybe uh, I don't know whether that's possible, maybe you can start evaluating uh their work somehow.
33:49	Mm.
33:53	Okay well is this # me designing a way to evaluate it so -
33:58	Thinking about how to set up test groups and things?
34:00	# I don't know whether that's possible uh in the given time but a- as far as possible.
34:03	Mm.
34:06	Okay.
34:08	Yep.
34:08	So uh you two will be together w- working on a o- on two prototypes
34:09	Exactly*.
34:10	Mm. #
34:12	Yeah.
34:13	and further instructions will be uh will be sent to you by uh by email.
34:17	Two or three prototypes? Two?
34:18	Two.
34:19	Two.
34:19	One for like cost and the one with like higher-end so that then we can be easily comparing them or you know find a compromise between both of them, yeah that's how it is.
34:21	I -
34:23	Okay.
34:23	Mm @ and then -
34:24	Mm.
34:27	Yeah and find maybe a compromise.
34:28	Hmm. #
34:30	Hmm.
34:31	Yes okay.
34:32	Perfect yeah.
34:32	Mm-hmm.
34:33	Okay let's call this to an end.
34:33	Yep.
34:35	Okay.
34:35	Mm 'kay. Thanks guys.
34:36	Thanks.
34:38	So we are done
34:42	for now.
34:54	@.

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