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  • Welcome to news from the B.B.C. world service coming to you live from London, I'm Julian Marshall as hurricane Irma batters its way towards the United States will hear from Bah booda where it's been from Cuba, where it is now, and from Florida, where it's heading next.

  • Also, the number of the henges fling men Mara for Bangladesh has reached three hundred thousand according to be knighted Nations, we made brief contact, but the government Minister, we question him about the reports of violence against Rangers sent the novelist John there, carry on the man who looms over his life and writing his father terrifically attractive terrifically persuasive terrifically flamboyant and Anne's history has shown terrifically bent he had these trump oi it moments of of enthusiasm and self conviction, and that interview in full later in this edition of news Cuba's North coast has taken a direct hit from hurricane Irma, which has already left a trail of destruction across the Caribbean, and is forecast to reach the U.S state of Florida.

  • On Saturday night, Emma as claim more than twenty lives and flattened, a number of Caribbean island, since it swept into the region on Wednesday, among the first to be hit was these small island nation of Bah booda which now faces a new threat hurricane, which is expected to make landfall in the coming hours rose Brooks live Zimbabwe odour.

  • She described to our correspondent Laura Beck of the devastation already wreaked by hurricane.

  • No, it was restless, you couldn't get to sleep.

  • And you are I think you were you were up all night train to are organised, Oh, keep things together, and then all of a sudden, the big crash, then you just start bringing down everything just started to decay and us crumble.

  • What's your House, like the roof is on and everything inside is destroyed, they've gone, what have you eaten in the last few hardly anything.

  • This is nothing to eat.

  • You can't or anything, so I have to have later, he's skint or alter your water.

  • What do you do.

  • You know, where do you go, what happens, have no idea, because, I mean, everyone now is, unless you want to have a little weird.

  • Are you going to re built, and I don't know, I don't know whether that is a possibility, if, if there is, then you won't be for a very long time.

  • I mean, how are you cooking.

  • Are you managing to, we're not coping with definite, you're not cold, everybody will tell you the same, they're not copying, everyone is in the same situation, and nobody can't help one another, we can't help each other, because everybody needs help a bit, a resident rose Brooks, speaking to the B.B.C.'s Laura bicker about the impact of hurricane Irma there, and the show by the guy spoke to be missus will granting the Cuban Capital Havana, the key thing is that if the Cubans thought they were going to somehow dark this stormy, it's looking like they really haven't along that coastline.

  • There's been reports of very widespread flooding storm surges, as I came in, she'd strengthened to a category five hurricane.

  • That's the first time such a powerful storm has hit Cuba, since the nineteen twenties.

  • Just to give you a feeling for the kind of magnitude.

  • We're talking here, we're still waiting to hear if you can imagine, from a lot of those more remote coastal communities.

  • But, at this stage, the picture isn't great were people told to get out before the arrival of the hurricane.

  • They were an undoubtedly that would have helped thousands were evacuated from that region in a number of operations from the Eastern tip of the island.

  • The Guantanamo province, all the way through to my dancers.

  • Now that's quite a large space.

  • That's a lot of people, and we saw buses, making their way back to Havana, filled with local people and with tourists, because obviously there was somewhere in the region.

  • Thirty thousand thirty five thousand tourists in those resorts along that region, and you can imagine.

  • Many of those were very frightened hadn't experienced anything like this before, but were brought back to safety in Havana.

  • Nevertheless, there was still plenty of people in harm's way.

  • When the storm came through, it'll be some hours, some some days before they'd the full Impact of the hurricane becomes known, yes, I think that's right, it's going to take a little while for us to find out just exactly which parts of that coastline have been affected.

  • And, as you say, several days, really, before we get a full picture of how badly the island's been been hurt.

  • It's summat some of the parts are quite remote, as you know, in Cuba.

  • Communications are difficult at the best of times, there isn't much Internet on the island, power lines are patchy the power grid is creaking infrastructure across Cuba is old decades, a lack of investment decades of the U.S. economic embargo, all of these things are involved at a moment, like this, I think, but nonetheless, the government well used to these tropical storms, absolutely and being such a centralised government, such a militarised government, a one party state, they can perhaps mobilise better than in other parts of the Caribbean.

  • If you think about the Cuban government, it runs right down to the street level, if you like, the neighbourhoods.

  • There are groups, called the C.D.. ours, the committees for the defence of the revolution, so they can play a role in organising people street by street, things like that.

  • I think it is worth registering that has probably made some kind of difference here, but you know that there is a limit to what can be done on a storm that's this big that comes in.

  • With this kind of ferocity That that can cause the damage.

  • We've seen across the Caribbean or may well have done.

  • Similarly, in Cuba and where you are in Havana will have the wind's picked up.

  • Has there been any rain.

  • It's been reasonably rough night here too.

  • Yes, the winds have picked up.

  • Certainly, there's been rain.

  • It's more or less calm again now.

  • But again, you know that the storm is continuing to head in this direction, and I think that's what's been so unsettling for Cubans this entire week is that they've just had to sort of watch the thing happened to other parts of the Caribbean, in the knowledge that it's coming their way, we think it will start heading off across to the Florida Straits and out towards Miami, Florida.

  • By the time it gets to a place called sea able, they have a laugh, and that will probably protect Havana, from the very worst that was seen elsewhere on the coastline further East.

  • Nevertheless, I think the entire island discs have got its fingers crossed at the moment, it was his will grant speaking from the Cuban capital Havana and head of the arrival of hurricane Irma in Florida.

  • Nearly six million people, that's a quarter of the state's population have been ordered to leave their homes, the Governor Rick Scott has warned of the storm is wider than the entire state and expected to have a life threatening impact from coast to coast.

  • Tom bon sitters With the U.S Department of homeland security.

  • At some point, people are going to be on their own, so to speak, for a period time during which the flooding the ringing in the wind, a bear down on them, and they need to be prepared, if they are in that pair haven't heaven taken some action give themselves.

  • I know it's dangerous position to be ready for at least a seventy two hour period.

  • I would be my advice for them to have enough water and shelter before the can get back to you come by certain that's here now probably be abuses Barbara pled Archer she reports in the coastal city of Miami in Florida.

  • That's Kathy is a little hive of activity is still serving in Fernando Zeke you've been copied sue people or planning to have her down and sit out here, he just came from the beach morning swim.

  • Did you every morning bread of the Grange in Alison ahtur heaven written up on their bicycles for their morning coffee, the dog is in Brenda's basket, they're not going anywhere, we're probably safer in a little concrete, and these people, there are going to sell it as on the road.

  • So your House is concrete, yes, so any in the country, and they were made after the big hurricane they really the Governor's made a point of saying this is not like the hurricanes before this is different.

  • This, he really danger they been preparing for Ford, the shed is, but do you know that they're saying, if there's floods in things.

  • Afterwards, they won't be able to come rescue, you necessarily have a player.

  • I'm no a blow up, it's very, I'm to be, and he's off to clear out the few stragglers who are still on the beach, but it's amazing really, this is the most popular one in Miami and normally, it's just heaving with people, especially on a Friday.

  • Now it's almost completely empty just an empty expanse, there is some activity, a bit back from the beach, a few people there shovelling sand into rubbish bags to shore up their houses.

  • Do you know my name's telling you, and are you living in an evacuation zone.

  • Yes, just the right on the beach, the first blood, so I'll have the ocean for you.

  • Well, you might be getting a direct view of a herd, if there are, do you think they'll still to see why, or do you need.

  • So we decided to stay because we have our business.

  • We need to protect, we have if you're egging Windows, so our villages is big and solid, so it Daniel Mishra, is also fortifying defences covering Windows with sheets of plywood.

  • I see hurting you all my life, the feeling for this room is, it's going to be different different enough to take refuge in a shelter, rather than the home of a friend or family Member, he thinks he still hasn't Decided what to do.

  • I'm very, very wary about my safety, my mum safety myself, my wife, my dark Mike taking decisions now is a life decisions.

  • You know, this is actually a Pavilion.

  • This is, this is the third fairgrounds, and now it's a hurricane shelter for hundreds of people and their pets rabbit bolted down diner is a spokesman for the American red cross, as you lot are mattresses underground icy waters food families with children, and we'll be safe in this building, they'll be saved is building up that has actually withstand restaurant before we work in co-ordination with government as buildings are built, particularly will we stand the canister because of where we are geographically South lloydy basically the gateway to hurricanes in the United States.

  • How do you think your dad's going to manage the store stars.

  • Jennifer, Springer, he's a bit anxious for herself.

  • She's bad memories from being in a floor, the shelter of the last time a category five storm hit the United States rikin Andrew in nineteen ninety nine, the roof broke all bent so we had actually frightful bad there, but I think they're better off with me.

  • I think this looks like a pretty solid structure, yeah, and the other eye nozzle seem like the frilly solids, and we've all been and will be that per's missus Barbara pled usher, in Miami, and the U.S. national hurricane centre as just issued at this advisory rid says hurricane Irma Is forecast to strengthen once it moves away from Cuba, and is expected to remain a powerful hurricane as it approaches, Florida, that from the U.S national hurricane centre later in the programme, the Pakistani street children, he go to school.

  • Under a flyover in Karachi.

  • We are here because we don't have enough funding for a proper building, and also, because this is an area where a lot of gangs will try and exploit children operate, plus the kids, or live nearby, so it's easy for them to get here.

  • That report him for later in the programme.

  • A reminder, though, of a news headlines this hour hurricane Irma the most powerful stormed head Cuba in decades is lashing the North of the country, people in Miami, have been told it's too late to leave the city and to instead, Hunker down as the hurricane approaches, the U.S state of Florida in the military, and my mother had been accused by Amnesty international planting landmines, along the border of Bangladesh to prevent the return a reckon ja Muslims who've fled.

  • This is Julian Marshall we are live from the b. b. c. in London, nearly three hundred thousand hinge or Muslims are stateless group refused citizenship by me and mark have now fled across the border from a kind state into Bangladesh, according to the United Nations, the exodus began a little over two weeks ago, after the Burmese army began an offensive and recline following coordinated attacks by Reckon ja militants those crossing into Bangladesh have told of clearance operations by the Burmese army and Buddhist gangs of villages being burnt down and atrocities against the civilian population to be missus Justin roller tin Cox's bizarre on the Bangladeshis side of the border, has the story of one day in the life of one refugee, so this, you see all the time on the roads.

  • Here, there's a huge.

  • I mean, there must be three, four, five hundred people gathered by the roadside, but began to set up really primitive camp stringing tarpaulins over the trees and the soldiers have come, and they're saying this amongst the crowd is rushy leader earlier.

  • I do.

  • I like you, but I walked for seven days to get here.

  • It has been so hard, but we had to escape.

  • She's nine months pregnant, her baby is due any day.

  • She is one of tens of thousands of row hinge of Muslims who fled my anmar into Bangladesh, like most of them, she says.

  • The army and radical Buddhists attacked their villages, the team had to wear.

  • They set fire to a House's and started shooting at them, but rush Sheila and her unborn child to ordeal is far from over.

  • Guards tell them they have to move on, they say, there's land, they can stay on over the hill, but there isn't enough for every I know is got it, you've got a plan.

  • I know that in her, so we've Arrived at the patch of land where the guards told everyone to go really low hills Club and with scrub and everybody is hacking away at the scrub desperate to try and stake out a little plot.

  • And there are all sorts of arguments, it's really chaotic Jan and I do, I do that, I've got in the, maybe there is no drainage no water, no aid agencies, handing out food, and no one even to help sort out your squabbles Sheila's husband Mondrian, and her father tried to clear some land, but other refugees, taking on it.

  • No, that's not what I had with her.

  • They were born.

  • So, despite being heavily pregnant rough Sheila and her entire family will now have to sleep out in the open, we were building a House, but a woman broke it, she had a, I don't feel I'm feeling sick, I just need somewhere to stay the family only have a plastic sheen to Carlisle, that's brella ten Cox's Bazar Bangladesh government continues to deny any offensive directed against Ranger Muslim civilian Zimba kind stayed or blames the violence on terrorists and says villagers have been burning down their own homes.

  • Last week, the government took a group of journalists, among them the B.B.C.'s Jonathan head to recline to see for themselves, but Jonathan reached a different conclusion.

  • Initially we were shown displaced people who talked about how the Muslims had had them out of House and home, and we were shown Various photographs supposedly showing Muslims, setting fire to their own homes.

  • Although those photographs have turned out to be fakes.

  • A man who's a Hindu in a display Senna's admitted acting and having a few women put details in their heads.

  • On the way back from one of those visits.

  • We happened to see some smoke going up through the trees.

  • And you could see it was fresh, the smoke and flames were just going up, we managed to get the vans to stop and before our mindless could stop us, we dashed off with the rice field, they kind of lost control of us, and as we arrived at this village, you could see houses just beginning to go up, and they were young men recount Buddhists and they identify themselves as such, very muscular carrying swords are machetes hanging around there was nobody else there, as we arrived, they departed, they didn't want to talk, although one of them did admit to a colleague that they'd they'd set fire to the buildings, and he said, been helped by the police as we walk further into the village, we just watch House after House going up in flames.

  • We saw a Madras are going up in flames ages of Muslim text books have been taken up torn out and left all over the path, there were women's clothes, personal possessions everywhere.

  • What we don't know, is what became of the Muslim inhabitants of that village, we simply don't know, There was no sign of them anywhere.

  • Now that completely destroyed.

  • The government's narrative, because we've been told by the Commander in charge of border security categorically that every single village destroy was being done by Muslims, and yet this was clearly a case over a kind Buddhists being allowed to destroy the village with their own police escort standing by and doing nothing with these people walking out having lucid stuff in their houses, un stopped walking down the road, right next to a giant police barracks.

  • It was a very clear case of apparent official complicity in the destruction of villages, and we played that testimony from Jonathan head to me and ma government Minister doctor win Mayor, Hey, he's the Minister for social welfare relief and raise settlement or they had agreed to be interviewed he declined to respond to the reports of revenge or Muslims being forced from their homes by the Burmese army and Buddhist militants, preferring instead to talk about a new government initiative to set up camps for the internally displaced, actually, I don't know about this, I'm in the capital, only upper don now and leading to recline, and will be in tomorrow, so it's better to contact me tomorrow, so I can answer this question.

  • And actually, it should be put to the local authorities in recline state.

  • Can I ask you, I mean, why are tens of thousands of people fleeing a red kind state.

  • Why are they doing that.

  • Come on some of the civilians are fleeing.

  • Yes, as fully humanitarian assistance.

  • We are trying to gather all the communities, as soon as possible.

  • We are starting to give you there.

  • Terry and assistance to all the communities and were planning to give the Newman, the Terry and assistance by the red cross movement, but why are so many hen jar Muslims filling red Carmine state.

  • No, not only Muslims up lean, but also the recline people and people of all is in the cities, they're gathering in some places, because they fear the terrorists, they are lean because they fear the terrorists, because the terrorists attack started on the twenty fifth of August, and we've had continuous attacks.

  • Since then, so they flee, but not only the Muslim people, but also direct kind people, but what humanitarian assistance.

  • Can you provide in red Carmine state, when so many so many rra hinge up Muslims are no longer there.

  • They have fled across the border into Bangladesh, fine, and we are trying to implement Masha spider red cross movement, and we have set up seven temporary place as hood a displaced persons around Mongol kind to help the humanitarian assistance regarding those who flap to Bangladesh.

  • Only those who proved they have lift Enric kind and our citizens would be accepted to come back, and the government will oversee the process of receiving displaced persons that the Burmese Minister for social welfare relief and resettlement doctor win a death In the second half of the programme, we'll be asking where does power lie in me, and mark and what influence does the de facto Lee dung sands Hootie have over the military do stay with us here on new Tsar a lot board, you're listening to a podcast edition of news are available twice each day, straight after the live edition of the programme.

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  • Where does real power lie in me, and mark first though, this is a time, it would appear of extreme natural disasters, even as hurricane Emma pummels, the Caribbean and threatens Florida.

  • Mexico is now struggling to cope with the aftermath of its most powerful earthquake in a century, the President has declared a day of national mourning.

  • After the deaths of more than sixty people in the quake which struck on Thursday night in the South of the country.

  • Three of the poorest States in Mexico, one Huck our chap or Saint Tabasco have been suffered most rather losing hundreds of buildings.

  • Let's speak to the b. b. c. is one Polly in Who she ton in were hackers state and one, how is it where you are, Julian, this is by far the most affected by a, you were saying the strongest earthquake joke.

  • It makes you go a century de musth Asian and price of the seating is just massive road circular hostas debris on many, many streets, I of dozens of houses, at least partially destroyed thirty six people died.

  • Here, and in the whole country.

  • There were sixty one and hear it, which is one, three Homer says was affected, and a few seconds off these very powerful earthquake were enough to course widespread destruction point of this, a stew, without getting treated Ian and food and would just ask, yes, and what are you hearing from the will rest of one hacker stay turn, indeed, chap has some Tabasco.

  • This is, this is the most affected part in told dating one hiker state fourteen five people died a twelve inch us and for our school and the earthquake struck off shore, what is known about the coastal communities in chappers and, indeed, after after the year, a struggle that was issue, I need was for somewhere were spread to us, it was, it was lifted her down.

  • And luckily nothing happened.

  • You know, I know, in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake.

  • I was speaking to a resident of hooted time and at that particular point.

  • It was local residents who were having to clear the rubble, have The emergency services arrived has the state intervened, yes, you know, this is Juliana country sadly all too used to earthquake, and the response is norm.

  • Well, you're very good seems dad very huge earthquake in nineteen eighty five that's tribe in Mexico city, the cubby Dylan left ten thousand people dead souls sheen steady earthquake Megan you seems to react.

  • You know more a crooked Wade had been in one.

  • Many thanks, snappers, the Bruce's one point in their hooted Hannah city in Mexico's swell hacker States are most affected by Thursday nights powerful, you're listening to the B.B.C. world service signed Julian Marshall, and this is news that Memoires de facto leader rang sons who'd, she has been widely criticised for her refusal to condemn the violence directed against French to Muslims, by the Burmese military, but her supporters say that is to misunderstand the complex relationship her government has with the army, the Nobel peace laureate took Office has state cancel last year after elections in which national League for democracy won the majority of seats in Parliament.

  • Those elections marked the end of more than fifty years of military rule, but the military's still exercise considerable power.

  • I've been discussing that relationship with mark canning, a former British Ambassador to Burma and Gregory polling a fella when these South East Asia programme at the centre for strategic and international studies in Washington, d. c. him first on the distribution of power within the government.

  • I Think it's helpful for us to think of the government, Myanmar, as the government still in the Middle of a democratic transition.

  • Part of the government are entirely in control, but the military still has, I think, what most people consider an undemocratic level of control, the nod Terry under this cast to shame is in complete control of defence issues, border security as an enormous manners power to intervene in case of the state of emergency and, of course, has reserved seats in Parliament, which I think most of us would consider undemocratic thought we discuss on sons hoochie with national Lisa democracy as being elected civilian government.

  • We have to keep in mind that that is worth a whole lot of caveats and Marconi, would you go along with that assessment.

  • Yes, I would.

  • I mean, what's happening.

  • This is a long and complex transition, and I think, you know, during the Arab spring, we saw some very rapid transitions where you went from black to white, you know from military to civilian overnight, we've seen how theirs have turned out what you've got in Myanmar, or Burma is a much slower process.

  • If you look back to when it sort of kicked off in twenty ten, there's been remarkable progress in human rights and social indicators in the economy, but clearly a transition of this kind also has things that are less good, and you've seen this terrible persecution that's under way at the moment polling We've heard so many calls for rang the sands Hootie to speak out to end the violence against the revenge a Muslims.

  • One of the latest from fellow Nobel peace prize winner, Desmond Tutu, who called what is happening and recline state ethnic cleansing in your opinion.

  • If she did try to influence what you've already indicated to me is principally a military matter.

  • What do you think the response of the military might be, it's hard to know at this point, because now we have an actor's counter insurgency campaign in Iraq and state last couple of months, so the motor is probably far more sensitive to any hint of criticism on the sprawling also nine interference.

  • I think if we're going to criticise on some hoochie, we should be clear that this is not a crisis that appeared overnight.

  • Er silent signing issues, since at least twenty twelve has helped is cause that it has helped lead to displace, where we have a new extremist force in Morocco and state that is to stabilise was already an extremely dangerous situation, so to say that on fancy chicken or be now, because it is an actor's armed insurgency Multum allowed that's, that's partially true, but it is ignoring for five previous years of silence, I think, Australia, I mean, can we do.

  • Would you go along with that, that the emergence of an insurgency by rra hinge militants is making it that much more difficult for rang Sands sued Chi, maybe to ask the military to stop behaving as they are, I mean, up to a point, except these silence on this issue is what he's starting to create an armed resistance on the part of the room injure, it was never there before and out of desperation, you see what Stella very rudimentary movement starting to spring up, but I don't think it's just the army that's on her mind, I, and I think there's also politics.

  • She's now a politician and the row henger sadly deeply unpopular within the Buddhist mainstream.

  • Indeed, they're hated in many quarters.

  • They're viewed as illegal migrants, even though they've been there for generations.

  • You have seen in recent years.

  • The Cup springing never really quite violent, a nasty strain of Buddhist nationalism, so any support for the way things are, I'm afraid.

  • He's certainly not vote winner for a politician, so that could also be on her mind, even if she wanted to Mister canning wood and sands hooch he have the power to influence the military to get them to do what she wanted them to do, we don't know, and I think the answer is, it's probably no, but I also wonder if she hasn't got more power than she realises or people realise, because the current situation suits the military very much.

  • They've stepped into the background.

  • They've left the running of the country to a civilian government, which the West likes and endorses, they are Still doing extremely well from their substantial economic interests in the country.

  • So, in a way, they've got the best of both worlds.

  • I actually think she's got rather more loveridge then might be evidence, I think the last thing the military wants at the moment is to top hole and sang soo Chee because it would simply isolate them again.

  • It would catapult them into running the country which they showed quite clearly they were incapable of doing so.

  • I think she might have a bit more Richmond is evident.

  • He certainly can't tell the Commander of the armed forces to stand down and expect him to listen, but she could do a whole lot to help resolve the underlying political tension released old men ensa recognising that they're not going to be reconciled.

  • Any time soon, but could she actually goes to the military and say, stop it, she could say it, she doesn't have the power to order that, but equally her unwillingness to say anything over a period of several years, he's giving the green light to this violence, and I do think there's a role for the outside Community, the Western Community him, it seems to me that since twenty ten and since two thousand fifty in the election, the U.S. and the E.U. certainly Britain have affective leave their foreign policies been outsourced to thanks you cheeky and, frankly, whatever she's said, is what they have done.

  • And I think, actually, they might be Doing her a favour if they start to be a bit more discriminating as took their lines, they take, for example, while I don't think it would clearly be an idea to subject me and Marta sanctions.

  • Again, there are measures that could be taken against people that are trading with de military trading companies and that sort of action might actually strengthen her hand or the problem here is that, like a status is second estate in the country bird ethnic majority can observe the right kind of seal themselves disenfranchised my country, and they have scapegoated, Wis state support their neighbours or injure so until we get a d. underlined it all miniature, isn't that steep these communal tensions are going anywhere.

  • Do you think that Ang sands who'd Chi in her heart would like to end the violence marred canning, she's someone who has been very powerful spokesman, the first human rights, she's written, she's lived it, so I'd like to think she would bring this to an end.

  • Having said that, it wasn't so long ago that she ticked off the American Ambassador for referring to this Community as rowing injure me, he should presumably have referred to them as a legal migrants at that.

  • So, you know, I like to think she wants to do the right thing, but she needs to show more evidence of that it mark canning, a former British Ambassador to Burma.

  • We also heard from Gregory polling a fellow in The South East Asia programme at the centre for strategic and international studies in Washington, children in many parts of the world are returning to school after their summer break in Pakistan, though, over twenty million children receive no schooling at all.

  • Many are forced to work by their families who were often desperately poor, but as Sir going to command has been finding out a series of schools in the country's commercial capital Karachi are aiming to change that.

  • By bringing lessons to the streets of the four lanes are busy, the school for some of Pakistan's most bright red chairs and white boards for the teachers to write on are laid out on a concrete island separating the two sides of the road, there's just a few metal railings fencing off the pupil uniforms from the passing cars in motors above their heads, is a flyover.

  • Many of the children that practically all of them used to work for a living, and had never been to school.

  • Eleven year old me used to be a maid.

  • Now she puts one day to be a doctor.

  • Are you staff to sweep tomb up and just of the people's houses.

  • My dad died.

  • So my mum said, I needed to work.

  • How do you feel coming to school.

  • Now I like it a lot.

  • There are said to be hundreds of thousands of so called, street children in Karachi, is the largest city in Pakistan, many of them live and Work in the shadow of the Abdullah chug Aussie religious where local charities distribute free food.

  • Tara, I'll be happy, but then the oiski buyer, so that's where one local business woman.

  • So class, I'll be fast, decided to start to sing, no.

  • I live right opposite the Shrine in underneath the flyover.

  • We are here because we don't have enough fun for a proper building, and also, because this is an area where a lot of gangs will try and exploit children operate, plus the kids all live nearby, so it's easy for them to get here.

  • Time's the noise from the traffic can be pretty definite this call is hugely popular six hundred children are registered here alone, there's two others just like this, where in the city, they say they'd like open more, but they don't have enough, the school has been using the Office in the construction company cider used to run to teach older children in a quieter and buy the entire project runs a voluntary donation.

  • The cooks lunch for the children every day.

  • With the help of her mother, they also provide free school uniforms to the children and Pete eats charred the equivalent of around fifty cents a day to make up for the money they would have been earning and make them work.

  • Any parents, but those are fourteen year old was Weiner were initially reluctant to allow them to study.

  • Don't let me come.

  • I said I wanted to study, But she said, no, I need to work, but since I've learnt to read and write.

  • My mum is really lessons take place under the watch of armed guards.

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  • John the carrier's been described as one of Britain's greatest living writers whose spies thrillers, and many of which have been made into films or t. v. series have gained him a worldwide following, he turned to writing full time in nineteen sixty three after the success of his novel, the spy who came in from the cold.

  • Featuring career intelligence Officer George smiley and smiley is back in la carries latest novel, a legacy of spies, which was published on Friday, an eagerly anticipated by his legions of readers, the B.B.C.'s Jim knocked, he's been speaking to John the carry about his writing and his own life, the man behind the writer's name, la Carrie David Cornwell has spent his life engaged with the secret world in m.i.five and m.i.six in the late fifties and early sixties, then, as a writer, telling the whole story of the cold war.

  • From the vantage point of some of its darkest Places, he scripted one of the great sagas of our age.

  • But what of the man himself.

  • Now eighty six when we spoke at his home, I took him back to one person who had an extraordinary influence on him his wayward father terrifically attractive terrifically persuasive terrifically flamboyant and does history has shown terrifically bent we made recently, the most extraordinary discovery.

  • I, for reasons irrelevant wanted to see my stars, the file.

  • I've got it here.

  • As a matter of fact, and your father's fathers and vastly more, it's, well, it is because yours, appears to be weeded Mina's been weeded either by the people who supplied the file.

  • Now, or the people who composed it read, it would have been in my case would to be secret annexe for that file.

  • Let's just explain that we're talking about Communist East Germany, it's feared that security service, the stars, it when you were in Bonn and West Germany as it then was a second Secretary in the Embassy in the early sixties, working for m.i.six how much do you think they knew I've always assumed on to grant's, firstly, that S.A.S. and i. six at that time was heavily penetrated.

  • Secondly, our Embassy in Bong a provisional Embassy in bond, while German, it was still waiting to be, it was three hundred strong about one hundred of them were locally employed Germans, it is unimaginable, but none of them had a reporting responsibility, anyone could've told simply by Identifying the rooms, where I worked, that I was a Member of the m.i.six station, but looking at this, does he file, it's extraordinary could read about you, father, they saw him as a rather useful figure dealing in arms and all kinds of things, floating in and out across the iron curtain pretending to have contacts that he probably never had an extraordinarily in this file as a detailed drawing of his business Office in London, supplied by somebody, whose name has been redacted, but appears to be an Austrian and like practically every other Austrian, he's a doctor something, or rather, my father knew him in Vienna.

  • They were up to some shenanigans which involved, it's, Germany, and the next thing we know it's the same doctor on orders from the start, see is paying a social visit to my father in his offices in Jermyn street, he's reporting to start to see the people he encounters the actual layout of my father's offices and the position of the saints in those offices.

  • That, to me, he looks exactly like a reconnaissance before a secret operation, what on earth.

  • They thought they would get out of his safe.

  • Well, I can tell you certainly didn't know money.

  • Do you think it might have been your father, who perhaps inadvertently told them who you were and what you were doing.

  • I think they knew very well, who I was what I was doing.

  • I think he could perfectly well In the flush of self importance which came, but he actually came very naturally to playing the magic man, he might have said he could deliver me or deliver a conversation, which would produce a reconciliation between East and West Germany.

  • Anything that came into his head, he had these trump or it moments of of enthusiasm and self conviction.

  • You've always said, but you'll never talk about precisely what you did in the few short years that you were an m.i.five and m.i.six, but let me ask you this, Magnus Pym in a perfect spy at the figure, there's many resemblances to you developed a very close relationship with someone on the other side, Alex, it's an ambiguous relationship with they both gave something, and no one is quite sure who's given more.

  • Did you ever have any kind of relationship of that sort.

  • When you were working in Germany, but somebody on the other side.

  • Yes, I suppose, so certainly I did, but it didn't take the form that I later fictionalised and really on that whole front, that's about as much as I can say, I never found it possible to talk, even if I were released to talk about what I did, I would find it very hard, the wanted that you have to old friends sits alongside what some of your old comics think is a kind of betrayal, by the way, you've presented the service somebody who was very senior I nose says this, That his recollection of a lifetime in that world was that it was dominated by loyalty, whereas in your books.

  • It's dominated by betrayal.

  • What do you say to that.

  • Well, without loyalty.

  • There is no betrayal smiley doesn't, so let's just talk about the loyalty for a second.

  • When I finished my M.A six Bootcamp we trainees were summoned by the head of training and told that somebody called George Blake had betrayed the service always up that nobody quite knew what to do with us, we should go home and wait until we were called, I've been in bond them stationed in bond for a couple of years, when Kim Philby another family name was revealed to have been a spy a long before he entered m. i. six, of course, there's a huge sense of loyalty among colleagues comrades in those intelligence services which you still sheer, I absolutely share that, in the sense that one loves the Regiment, if you like, that did not make them immune from any of the ordinary human failure, and tomorrow we'll hear more from John the carry on the return of George smiley in what the old spy master makes of the world as it is today.

  • First of all, it was terribly hard to write this book during the period of Brecht's it unclear sent looked trump, and I'd like to think that smiley was aware of the sense of aimlessness, which has entered into all our minds, we Seem to be joined by nothing but fear smiley, who had spent his life defending the flag, one way or another, feels alienated from it, he feels a stranger in his own country, and that's why we find him.

  • And, indeed, leave him in a foreign place John the carrier and there'll be more from him on new Tsar on Sunday, that's it from at this edition of the programme from me.

  • Julian Marshall and the rest of the team in London.