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  • Thank you for downloading this podcast of the world at one from B.B.C. radio four, the world at one, this is Martha Kearney with forty five minutes of news and comment.

  • After three days of wrangling Brussels says there's been little progress on bricks it, how can we build trust and start discussing her future a polishing should we need what dress to get this is shoes, we've got a rigourously will have the latest from the talks senior Conservatives have question Theresa may's intention to fight another general election, but the Prime Minister insists she's staying on, I said, I wasn't a quitter, and there's a long term job to do.

  • There's an important job to be done, what I'm a government are doing, we'll ask the former conservative leader, Michael Howard, if she's right, and it is like taking a couple steps back, and I think we'll take a little while to gain that trust.

  • Doreen Lawrence was just one of those spied upon by undercover police, but now the judge investigating the scandal has been replaced, and not everyone's happy.

  • The B.B.C. news is read by Jane steal the European Union's Chief breaks it negotiator, Michelle has warned that talks on a future trade deal with the U.K. are still quite far away, because not enough progress has been made on key issues at a news conference in Brussels, following the latest negotiations, my bunny, eh.

  • Said, There was a need to build trust the brakes, it Secretary David Davis at the talks have been productive, but there were still significant differences about how much money Britain would have to pay the E.U., Europe correspondent Kevin Connelly reports from Brussels, David Davies and Michelle Barney made the by now familiar side by side appearance at twin podiums inside the European Commission building United, at least in apparently rather downbeat assessment of how things stand at the end of the third round of talks, David Davis had elements of the negotiation would be turbulent hard and difficult and dizzy.

  • You counterpart struck a similar note admitting he'd never expected Briggs it to be easy Barney said there had been no decisive progress on the principal issues, including the question of the size of any financial settlement from the U.K., he repeated his warning that time was short and spoke of the need to build trust, the U.K., says the e. use rigid approach to the structure of the talks creates difficulties and says, people should be put before process, but both sides have indicated that they are prepared to step up the pace of the talks if deadlock persists Theresa may has attempted to dismiss criticism of her promise to fight the next general election by again insisting she is not a quitter some former senior Conservatives, including Lord Heseltine have said, it would be difficult for her to continue as Prime Minister until twenty twenty two after Losing her majority in the snap election in June, but at a news conference in Japan, when she's on a three day visit she emphasised, there was a long term job to do our political correspondent Ian watts, and report, the Prime Minister didn't and bark and a trip to Japan with that.

  • E.M. of announcing that should be to party into the next election anxious that questions about her future shouldn't overshadow the visit initially should simply set out to quash a newspaper story that should set a timetable for her departure, but in a barrage of broadcast interviews, she hard into position were both the former education Secretary Mickey Morgan, and the former Deputy Prime Minister, Lord Heseltine publicly scoffed at the idea that she could survive into the next election.

  • Other Conservatives to remain sceptical about leadership abilities were unperturbed.

  • That's because the gear for remarks, no more treatments that their previous insistence that she wouldn't call a snap election as one m. p. put it privately.

  • She still serves a terror pleasure by the former party Chairman crunch sharps sent her performance would be reassessed after breaks it Theresa may also confirmed the U.K. and Japan would aim to establish a new economic partnership during any interim Breck's it period, based on the final turn to have a trade deal between the E.U. and Tokyo joint working group will examine how to remove any barriers to a bilateral agreement, the French Prime Minister, he set out What he calls ambitious plans to reform the country's labour laws.

  • As part of President Emmanuel microns efforts to tackle the country's high unemployment levels.

  • The proposed changes would restrict the power of unions and make it easier for companies to hire and fire workers from Paris, a corresponds Lucy Williamson reports, the new reforms will change how companies work with unions to decide to pay and conditions shifting negotiations from the national to the company level businesses with fewer than fifty employees will be able to negotiate directly with their staff or an elected representative, the new rules were also make it easier for companies to adapt working hours and salaries to sudden changes in the economy and will cap payments awarded for unfair dismissal, except in serious cases involving discrimination or harassment, but there are extra protections for workers to, including an increase in severance pay and broader responsibilities for Union representatives and after a summer of consultations between the unions and the government, the hardline c. g. t. is so far the only one to call a strike in response to the new reforms, a man has been charged under the terrorism act after police officers outside Buckingham Palace were injured while detaining, a man with a sword on Friday night, this Sinnott Choudhry, who is twenty six and from Luton is accused of preparing to commit an act of terrorism.

  • He's due to appear before Westminster magistrates this afternoon.

  • There have been two explosions at a Chemical plant, which was flooded in the storm which devastated parts of Texas parfait and is shot down the factories refrigeration units, which were storing chemicals that can bust, if not kept cool nearby homes have been evacuated.

  • More than thirty people are known to have died because of tropical storm Harvey, a doctor has appeared in Court charged with committing more than one hundred sexual offences over a nine year period, many Shah, who's forty seven and from Romford is accused of sexually assaulting more than fifty patients at a medical centre in East London.

  • It follows an investigation, which was prompted when several people contacted the police in twenty thirteen, he's amply reports from Barkingside magistrates' Court wearing a dark suit striped shirt and purple tie my niche Shah stood in the dock and confirmed his name and date of birth.

  • There was so many charges, they were not all read out in Court instead a summary was given doctor Shah said he'll be pleading not guilty.

  • One hundred and eighteen sexual assault charges.

  • One relates to a child under the age of thirteen.

  • He's accused of sixty five counts of assault by penetration and fifty two counts of sexual assault, it's alleged he committed the offences against fifty four people at a medical practice in the London borough of, Hey, bring between June, two thousand and four and July, two thousand thirteen doctor Shah will appear before snaresbrook Crown Court.

  • On September the twenty seventh police in The Indian city of Mumbai, say, twelve people have died after a six storey building collapsed.

  • They were around forty people inside the residential block at the time, and emergency workers are still searching the rubble for survivors, Jane, thank you, Europe's Chief Gregson negotiator, Michelle Barney says there's been no decisive progress on key issues and talked with you Kay, he's had negotiations are still quite far away from being in a position to begin talks and future trade arrangements.

  • He also said there were issues of trust between the two sides, but the U.K. breaks Secretary David Davis, urged the E.U. to be more imaginative and flexible in its approach.

  • Kevin Connelly joins us now from Brussels, with the latest well, another Briggs at negotiation another masterclass in barely concealed exasperation here in Brussels.

  • My Bonnie, who's already warned that the clock is ticking has moved on to warning, the time is short, and there on the really big issues like a financial settlement, there's been no decisive progress he spelled out what the e. sees as a half moral half political case on things like overseas aid budgets and loan guarantees for the U.K. to just cough up home, the fun, ensures that the bug spray ish shouldn't what they should not to be a twenty Chevron odd obligations undertaken at twenty eight, it would not be fair in July, he, O.K.. hook and eyes that, but obligations beyond to Brixton.

  • But this week.

  • Did you cakes Praying at this obligations, we believe me, the last payment to deal Bridgette before departure.

  • Yet we have joint obligations to world felt contrary Mister Barney's urbanity never desert him, of course, but there was no doubting his generally downbeat assessment of where things stand.

  • He was especially cool on the U.K. decision to respond to demands for a large financial settlement, not with a figure, or even a methodology that with a kind of legalistic line by line analysis, and that coolness matters.

  • It's my Barney, eh.

  • Who will decide in October, whether to recommend to E.U. heads of government that sufficient progress has been made to move the process on to trade talks, and you don't need to be a veteran Brussels insider to work out which way the wind is blowing.

  • What's, we're quite far from being able to say that sufficient progress has taken place, also sufficient for me to be able to recommend to the auction, so that he'd engaged in discussions on the future relationship between you and him.

  • Are you at the same time as we wouldn't during the course of twenty eighteen go on working on finalising the exit done had brought agree David Davis was substantially more chipper than Mister Barney, whilst also acknowledging that the talks would be turbulent and difficult, but he returned to what becoming the U.K.'s main theme in all of this, which is that the E.U. has made the process vastly more difficult by stripping out The issues of citizens' rights.

  • The Irish border and the financial settlement and insisting the progress being made on them before trade talks can begin Mister Davis says that distinction is artificial and doesn't work, because all three of those issues will influence and be influenced by that future relationship, it's about putting people before process, he argued discussions this week expose it again at the U.K's approaches substantially more flexible and pragmatic than out of me, you should avoid unnecessary disruption for businesses and consume, we propose pragmatic solutions for rent this disruption, and we go to, you'd be more imaginative and flexible in their approach to withdraw, however, I remain of their view on this, as in many areas, there's, I know, and a border overlapped with drawn and the future, and they help in the compartment and so little by way of progress to report here is Briggs it round three ends, the two sides agree, at least, he'd have the circumstances, seem to demand it.

  • They're prepared to step up the pace of the process.

  • And, as things stand, the circumstances certainly do demand it.

  • Kevin Godley the fragile truce.

  • That's existed inside the conservative party since the election is being sorely tested Theresa may's stated determination to fight the next election, rather than leave in twenty nineteen has stirred an onslaught from her critics, the Prime Minister's stress the point again today, during her visit to Japan, I said, I wasn't a quitter, and there's A long term job to do.

  • There's an important job to be done in the United Kingdom, we stand as a really critical time in the U.K., yes, that's partly about excision getting Brecht's it right.

  • If you think back to what I said when I became Prime Minister, there are many other issues that we need to address long term challenges in our country, and I'm there to do it.

  • And I think for most members of the public, they would say they want the government to get on with the job.

  • And that's exactly what I am the government are doing some had peas advise not taking the words, at face value, arguing, what else could she have said in answer to that question, but others fear the holiday affect Theresa may came back from Snowdonia early in the year, determined to fight that doomed early election has she returned from her summer break, determined to fight another one in twenty twenty two, the former cabinet Minister Nicky Morgan told hard talk, it wasn't a good idea, one thing that's been missing was a real move to reconcile the fault lines in the conservative party was particularly shown up by by Europe, it's going to be difficult for Theresa may to give us into the next general election fellow remain campaigner Lord Heseltine was rather more brutal on the world tonight and the former party Chairman grant chaps told the today programme.

  • The truth is, we ran a Very poor election, you can't go pretending he wasn't anything hotter than the disastrous results.

  • Of course, it was, and you can't, you can't jump straight from that's all go on forever.

  • You've got to have an in between stage.

  • And that means that, in the in between stage is delivering on some of the stuff we need to deliver, we've talked off the record to several conservative politicians, this morning.

  • One senior Pierre said, the only purpose of her pronouncement was to stop the issue of being a topic for the Tory party conference distraction.

  • But there's not a chance of her contesting the next election as conservative leader, a former Minister told us she's made a huge mistake and say what she said she'll live to regret it.

  • I know there's a similar reaction, amongst many of my colleagues in the parliamentary party people are dismayed, there was a clear indication in the nineteen twenty two Committee that should stay only as long as M.P.s wanted.

  • Now, with his high handed announcement, she's you turned, I think this will precipitate a leadership challenge.

  • This autumn, another former Minister said she's started to debate the didn't need to happen, she's opened up all the speculation.

  • She's made this, the number one story, it's appalling grossly irresponsible.

  • These developments have echoes of Margaret Thatcher, who famously declared in may nineteen eighty seven, yes, I hope to go, she didn't, of course, she left Office in nineteen ninety before the next General election will Michael how to remember all of that very well, Lord Howard led the conservative party between two thousand, three and two thousand five good afternoon.

  • Hello Hello, do you think that Theresa Maeve should stay on and fight the next general election.

  • So a very important job to do you want that, yes, I think she's right, you're definitely right to stay on site steed to general, let's not in grant shuts just said, what happened to sue was disastrous.

  • Well, obviously election result wasn't what he wanted, or what the conservative party wanted it off a bit overlooked that he'd have achieved one important, it's not O.K. with it, we haven't had an election.

  • This year, at the next election that that may well be the case for the conservative party, but will it be with her as the conservative candidate, I think, yeah, I think, well, an awful lot of people that we spoke to seemed perfectly prepared for her to stay, or at least they were prepared for her to stay on until after the brakes negotiations after twenty nineteen very, very few people seem to be keen on the idea of her staying as long as the next general election.

  • Again, an M.P., who lost his seat, said, I think it's high risk, it could crystallise opposition to Herve so instead of steadying the ship.

  • It could actually cause a mutiny extremely unlikely why's that.

  • And finally, before we leave this, let's turn To the story that you mention that we were leading the programme with the latest comments from Michel Barney and David Davies, and it's Mitchell bunny or right, as the British position now reached a stage was a lack of trust between both sides are hasn't been sufficient clarity that should be respected by Michael Howard, thank you so What kind of reaction has the bin to Theresa may's remarks outside Westminster will she be able to do better in twenty twenty two than she did in twenty seventeen was some of the biggest swings from the toys to labour happened on the South coast of England in Brighton and hope our reporter Ben Weiss has been testing the mood interaction of knockers of tradition once plus capture captured British rest, a lot Sebastian's coffee, like the town, it sits in is diverse and cosmopolitan so Brighton round here, by the way, but how you've actually a little bit less booking in the Brighton belong central supply deliver a little bit more upscale less busy as well Church road is full of cafes artisan bakeries, delicatessens its liberal cosmopolitan and voted heavily to remain in the air at the last election week promised, one of the richest political tussles have their campaign labour's Peter Kyle defending her tight majority against Tory Christi Adams, but in the end it felt pretty flat for the Tories here, Kyle an enormous majority, he had at the hill to handle tin.

  • You're a million Miles away from the coffee shops in artisan bakeries of the high street in home, people tend to be a bit poorer than the rest of if they tend to be a bit older, too, and they were far more likely to have voted to leave the European Union or a fertile ground for Theresa may to have won votes, so I didn't, I've come here to meet a counsellor.

  • He might have the answer.

  • Hello telegenic leader of the conservative group home.

  • City Council, the campaign manager for Christiana It's a conservative candidate in the last of it.

  • When did you realise he weren't going to win that seat, the moment was about three days after the manifesto.

  • It was launched once literally dried over, we were knocking on doors and people just wouldn't consider that in for us who were absolutely diehard unserviceable.

  • The essential point was that the manifesto, a weekend killed people coming towards us, and it actually drunk people, I'm scared we, we've just had a manifesto that we drew hopes from many millions of people.

  • And, in some cases, before their fears, and I'm sorry, but that's just not, I want to win an election.

  • If you take away the hunt from people, why on earth would they, in terms of Theresa may's own particular role in this work.

  • Let's start with the obvious.

  • What was your reaction when she said yesterday that she wants to lead the party into the next election.

  • Do You not into the next version is not as outrageous, as it seems, I think she's taken her cue from Angela Merkel, who went through a bad time.

  • A few years ago nourishment cupboard, because she delivered some good policies.

  • And if you look at the time.

  • So, about two years and two months, maybe tint to deliberately if we can sort out all the problems that went wrong in this election and give people five years for for their memories to phone in to see that we're going back to real grassroots politics brilliant hope their House towards people rather than taking them away, they can rip, and I think it's not outrageous Teresa motor stand.

  • The problem we will people standing Esther and won't be opportunists.

  • They will see their opportunity to stand against her, and that's the wrong thing, because the grassroots of the moment.

  • Tony janu ending that report by Ben Vice Hashem bady the younger brother of the Manchester bombers.

  • Some of the baby will be tried in Libya over his suspected role in the attack.

  • Our correspondent Orla Gary's in Tripoli, where she's been talking to the Chief investigator, I don't know what we know about their plans to put hash Emma baby on trial.

  • We were told yesterday by the Chief investigator in the Office of Libya's Prosecutor general that most of the investigations into the case are Kinch are concluded and that whatever work needs to be finished by the Prosecutor by The police by anti terrorism units, all of that will be done.

  • He said, within the next two months at most.

  • And at that stage, Hashim obeyed the twenty year old brother of the Manchester bomber Salman a baby will be put on trial here in Libya, we asked about the possibility of extradition to the U.K., he said there had been no request from the U.K. for that.

  • He said it would be very early days to consider there is, even though there is a lake, the legal framework, existing between the two countries, which in theory would allow us, but he said of such a request was to come at some stage down the line, it would be considered very carefully.

  • From a legal point of view, because Hashim a is a citizen of both countries, and he also said, the government would have to make a political decision on the House, but he stressed that was very good intelligence sharing and co-operation between the authorities here in Tripoli, and also in the U.K., he said, for example, that the Libyan investigators had given a list of names to police in the U.K. of people that they would like to see question there.

  • And what about the bomber's father, he has been released.

  • He was detained at the same time as Hashim a baby.

  • That was shortly after the attack.

  • They were detained by a counter terrorism unit here, known as rudder.

  • Now, you may remember, at That time that rudder told us they actually had some man, a Bailey and his brother under surveillance here in Libya, in the month before the attack because they suspected them of membership of the so called Islamic stakes now Hisham abedi baby has been Ramadan, a Bailey rather has been released, we were told that there is no concrete evidence against him.

  • No further reason to hold him, he's a free man, and Libya, but not free to leave the country.

  • The authorities want him to remain here in case they have further questions, they say, and he will have to contact police from time to time to establish that he's still here, one of the point worth making, as the British police have been given direct access here in Tripoli to question Hashim a baby several times that has already been facilitated by the living inside all again.

  • Aaron in Tripoli, it was one of the worst scandals to hit the British police are number of undercover police officers were found to have had sex marriage and even father children with the activists, they were paid to spy on the protesters were unaware that their partner was a police Officer in her role as part of their official duties, the judge has been leading the inquiry for the last two years into the undercover infiltration of political groups has quit due to ill health, he's been replaced by Sir John missing, but this programme has learnt that many Of the core participants are writing to the government to challenge his appointment Jason Kirkpatrick was an anti globalisation campaigner, who was a close friend of the undercover police Officer mark Kennedy and Helen steel is an environmental campaigner, who was one of seven women who received an unreserved apology from the police for undercover cover officers deceiving them into forming quotes abusive and manipulative long term sexual relationships, I began by asking Helen steel about her case.

  • Well, I was deceived into a relationship with an undercover policeman who I met when I was going to London Greenpeace meetings in the nineteen eighties, I got to know him over the course of three years, and then we started a relationship, we moved in shared a flat, together, we talked about starting a family and spending the rest of our lives together, and then he seemed to be going through some sort of mental breakdown, and then he disappeared, I was left very worried about, you know how he was whether he might even be suicidal and, obviously, I was deeply in love with him.

  • So I tried to find him, I came across a death certificate that showed that he had actually been using the identity of a child who died when he was eight years old, and at that point, really my world, kind of fell apart because here was this person, who I thought I knew so well, and yet, actually, I didn't even know his name, Didn't know who he was at all.

  • I continued searching, but basically, I couldn't actually find out the truth, until a woman contacted me and told me that she'd also had a relationship with an undercover policeman, and he had told her that my former partner had actually been an undercover policeman.

  • We got together with six other women who'd also been deceived into relationships undercover policeman, and we took legal proceedings against metropolitan police to try and prevent these abuses from happening to anyone else again.

  • Do you that get an apology from the police, and then an inquiry was set up, and the judge there has just been replaced.

  • What are your thoughts about that, whereas before the judge who was chair of the inquiry had indicated he felt it was extremely important for there to be transparency and openness, so that the public trust could be restored.

  • The current judge appears to think that the privacy of police officers who have committed these abuses is more important than protecting the public.

  • It's a very alarming turn that the inquiry is taken and Jason, just tell us a little bit about when you first met the undercover police Officer mark Kennedy, I met my Kennedy in two thousand five when I was with the group of of activists who were travelling around the U.K., Ireland and Ireland, giving a number of public lectures, talking, radishes, of globalisation, just before the two dozen five g.eight summit, the prison who'd Offered to drive that tour around through Ireland was mark in Heath undercover cop, and what was your reaction to finding that out, I was stunned.

  • I had travelled with Kennedy in the Republic of Ireland, where there are by northern Ireland, we didn't Scotland within Poland together, he came to Germany, around the time of the two thousand seven g.eight summit visiting my home.

  • Many times he had a relation shep an intimate relationship with a very good friend of mine, for a good amount of time, so I was absolutely shocked at the time.

  • Do you have some concerns about the scope of the inquiry into all of this.

  • First off, I have to thank Theresa may for taking this issue seriously.

  • She rightfully so no restricted it, this was a huge problem by two thousand fifteen when she started the undercover police enquiry, which covers England and Wales.

  • Now the problem is that people like myself, who were targeted outside of England and Wales, and in my case, my Kennedy, I met, Ireland and Germany and Scotland.

  • Northern Ireland all places, there are excluded by the enquiry, we were around in my cave me.

  • I want to see my police files, I want, I want to have access to justice.

  • Somehow I want to know why he targeted me and why with someone targeting in Germany, and so this is an issue that's ray's been raised to parliamentary level.

  • In Germany, many times.

  • There's been parliamentary debates On this in Scotland, the northern Irish cabinet Secretary for justice clarity sentient said it, it's imperative the northern irony, I really discovered that his wife started legal action and actually have a case, coming to the high Court in Belfast, for a judicial review on that case in the Middle of a toll just returning to Helen steel and your concerns are Chris into that you're making about the inquiry, isn't it.

  • The case that whoever's in charge, they have to follow a certain process, we have definitely seen a significant shift away from transparency and openness to the secrecy, and what's worrying is that the new chair, while he's actually Vice President of the secretive investigator Tribunal, which his complaints, from members of the public into the police and security services invading their privacy.

  • Unusually hit has its hearings in secret and witnesses are not even allowed to see the evidence or their lawyers are not often allowed to to see the evidence that the way that that particular Tribunal is drawn up, isn't it.

  • We don't want is to see that the tactics used in secret.

  • I investigate Tribunal imported into what he's supposed to be a public enquiry.

  • There are multiple miscarriages of justice that have arisen as a result of these undercover officers giving evidence in Court under their fake identities and not disclosing that fact to the Court, there are serious issues that need to be properly investigated.

  • Are your shares my other People involved in the enquiry, yes, I mean, everybody, they were there was a joint letter from there, all the core participants who were spied on saying that we wanted the release of their cover names that this was a critical step, we also want the release of the names of the groups that were spied on the inquiry has finally acknowledged that over one thousand groups were spied on by these political policing unit.

  • This is supposed to be, and democracy.

  • And yet the inquiry won't even release the names of those groups that were spied on, given how strongly you feel about this.

  • Are you minded to raise formal concerns about their new judge.

  • A lot of people who are cool participants are realising that there has been a significant change, and we'll be considering what to do about that in the near future, but yes, you know, it is a very, very worrying turn that the inquiry is taken Helen steel and Jason kept Patrick we contacted the British undercover police inquiry about some of the issues raised by Helen steel, they told us the inquiry hasn't ordered its approach to considering applications for anonymity of officers or home Office spokesperson told us that they're confident that the inquiry's terms of reference will allow it to gain both a deep understanding of historical failings and make robust recommendations without extending the terms of reference to include northern Ireland, they also said, the inquiry Chesser John knitting has The home Secretary's full support the metropolitan police said, we understand the public interest and concern that a historic use of undercover policing has caused and are determined to be as open as possible to assist the public inquiry in finding the truth.

  • After huge numbers of young people turned out to vote, and flock to Jeremy Corbin's labour party at the general election, how other Conservatives responding the b. b. c. understands that the Tories are drawing up proposals to reform their youth wing conservative future, almost two years after its leadership was suspended following a bullying scandal.

  • So what's a conservative plan for getting the increasingly political under forty's on side.

  • Our political correspondent Layla Matthew has been investigating young Conservatives that would've heard Winston Churchill's, I'm going to do and provide the audience when he makes his first major political speak, I think he retired from the youth wing of the conservative party has an illustrious past commanding tens of thousands of members at its peak, and boasting prominence alumni my sixteen I represent what may well seem to be the last generation and the conservative.

  • Twenty years after that conference speech William Hague as party leader recognised that by then the young Conservatives had become troublesome divided and unpopular.

  • He re branded the organisation and conservative future was born, but it, too, would fall from grace B.B.C. news at one o'clock Downing street has responded, for the first time, to allegations of bullying and sexual abuse Within the conservative party's youth wing.

  • Two years ago, a young conservative activist Elliot Johnson took his own life, he complained to the party about being bullied, it led to the entire leadership of conservative future being suspended, and it remains so in previous elections.

  • It's young members had played an active role campaigning across the country.

  • This time round, there was a gap.

  • How detrimental.

  • What's that to the party, it's relationship we young people within the party was a lot weaker than it should have been Stephen canning was Vice chair of conservative future.

  • At the time, it's national Executive was disbanded.

  • There was no real felt like concerted effort to get young people out there and doing stuff for the party and there wasn't really something for young people to believe in contrast this with labour grassroots group momentum with a ground army and savvy social media campaign is credited with getting out the youth vote in June and persuading young people to back Jeremy Corbin, the British election study the most detailed of its kind found sixty two percent of eighteen to twenty five year old surveyed voted labour, compared to just eighteen percent conservative Stephen canning admits conservative future my trick we took too long to reform the organisation, we didn't see what we should be doing, it's much like the big tech companies, we had essentially been disrupted by a young start up his momentum.

  • So how can the Conservatives compete.

  • I understand the Party is drawing up proposals to reform conservative future focusing on training young members in campaigning policy development in any media, a spokesperson for the Conservatives said, the party was continuing to support and work closely with a growing number of young members and volunteers, but there are many within the party who think a structured youth wing has had its day, and that more organic unaffiliated groups are the way forward.

  • And there are a number springing up in twenty two, they were conservative.

  • Now they maybes conservative progress formed last year, is among them.

  • Some of its members were out in West London recently canvassing with a local councillor, Hi, I'm maybe on the conservative party activist and Director of conservative progress, we saw a genuine need within the the conservative family for a constructive dialogue between the grass roots of the parliamentary party, we saw an opportunity to take a leading role training up incoming activists in providing a forum conservative party volunteers to get involved in policy discussions to network can these new groups desperate as they are hope to rival labour's activist army, then Howlett, a former chair of conservative future was the M.P. for bath from twenty fifteen until he was unseated by the lib Dems, he's now turning his attention to the grass roots.

  • I think the opportunity to grow a movement, not a momentum sort of right wing momentum incarnate nonsense, sort of idea and, frankly, no one would turn up wearing Know fields of wheat, t. shirts vanishing banners of Theresa may's face, she's not going to happen.

  • But there is an opportunity to get young people pushing a new type of direction within their own political parties and, within the party, there is already a recognition that the Conservatives now need policies that directly appeal to young people disillusioned by bricks it, but there's something else, and three dozen welcomes to the national finals of the young Tory of the year.

  • Of course, this being the national finals candidates will be concentrating Roger on keynote speeches and general displays of ignorance and prejudice is there, it's probably fair to say that when it comes to young people.

  • The Tories have struggled with an image problem to George Freeman, who chairs the conservative party's policy forum and the Prime Minister's policy board thinks it's time for a complete makeover.

  • We need to look at the structure of the student tuition fees, the interest rates.

  • So there some policy work on housing, as well.

  • There's also campaigning.

  • I think some big questions we were beaten soundly on social media, and I think, thirdly, there's a message about a new spirit of politics, and people are distrusting of big machine, politics, the repeated mantra, the line to take, and they want a more authentic personal political form of communication.

  • In that spirit, George Freeman, he's planning what he's calling and ideas Festival next month, it may not be rock'n'roll.

  • But it's the way, He says, a stimulating fresh thinking and getting conservatism to respond, the mobilisation of young voters, Layla mafia, and she's soon going to be on the campaign trail, but momentum.

  • The group are lined with labour and actually there has been one conservative group set up designed to rival the success of momentum.

  • It's called, activate, you k.

  • Alex Wickham, a journalist for the Guido Fawkes website yesterday, broke the story about her.

  • What's that messaging group used by members of the group, which discussed killing chaps.

  • We've recorded a section of their conversation.

  • A final opportunity to observe the spice home a chav and gassed them all run some medical experiments on them, we could use them as substitutes for animals when testing to see why they are so good at producing despite living rough, Oh, Kay, we've got to be careful.

  • Otherwise, this is turned into a Nazi chap vermin often populate high rates low, but seriously chaps are an actual problem activate spokesman told the site's none of the people, including those messages currently have any seniority.

  • With the organisation were working on ensuring people in question are removed from the group as a whole, if still members Alex Wickham joins us.

  • Now, I think it's fair to say it hasn't been the easiest start for the new group activate.

  • Oh, dear.

  • No, absolutely not.

  • I mean, the sort of about forty eight hours ago, and already now it looks like they've pretty much come to the end of their days in the set up trying to look like a cool young Tory version of momentum posting memes on Twitter, Cheryl graphics and for, and apparently funny jokes and things like that from from a Tory bent it didn't go very well, it was widely derided, and then, unfortunately, has turns out, quite often in politics.

  • At the moment, it turns out that they also had some rather and deep down palpable views were saying some pretty appalling things and what's as well, so I think there's a probably a last, we've heard of this little group.

  • And what about the use of the word, chav, well yeah, I mean, that's obviously has it's sort of word that used to hear honour in a school playground.

  • Ten years ago, rather than the sort of thing you'd hear these days, which sort of shows how out of touch are behind the times, these young Tory kids were, and I guess.

  • What this shows is it really does encapsulate the dilemma for the political parties of all stripes with it with engaging with with youth politics.

  • On the one hand, it's fantastic to get young people involved in politics, it looks great, it looks like you're very a very current and up to date.

  • Political movement, if you can get young people on board that really helps with campaigning, if you can bus young, active us up and down the country and and get that knocking on doors for You that's fantastic.

  • On the other hand, he has, we've seen in the last few years, and for decades beforehand youth politics invariably ends up with immature people behaving very badly.

  • We've had the Tory billing scandal of a couple of years ago, he had years before that, the Federation of conservative students was shot down over very bad behaviour.

  • We've seen some excesses in momentum on the labour side of things with young and then some activists abusing people on Twitter and being very thin very unpleasant.

  • He is, that is, that is a problem for political leaders, they want to engage young people and politics, but the sort of people that to join up our tent centred behaved very maturely Alex we can from Guido Fawkes now before we go, it's twenty years ago today, since the death of Diana, Princess of Wales.

  • Here she is in April.

  • Nineteen ninety three months after her separation from Prince Charles and, shortly before her withdrawal from public life, giving a speech at a conference in London on eating disorders, ladies and gentlemen, I have it on very good authority that the quest for a perfect our society demands can leave the individual gasping for breath at every this bread inevitably extends into the way we look eating disorders, whether it be anorexia or bulimia how an individual can turn the nourishment of the body into a painful attack on themselves.

  • They have at their call a flower deeper vanity.

  • Yes, People are dying from eating disorders.

  • Yes, all of us can help prevent the seeds of this disease.

  • Developing as parents, teachers, family, and we have an obligation to care for our children in ways which clearly show our children that we value they, in their turn, will then learn how to value them with greater awareness and more information, these people who are locked into a spiral of secret can be reached before the disease takes over their lives.

  • I am certain the ultimate solution lies within the individual, but with the help and patient no given by you, the professionals, family, people suffering from eating disorders and find a better way of coping with their lives.

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